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kmonkey · Post by **kmonkey** » Thu Jun 01, 2017 2:39 pm

Soma will you add compressor/dynamic section from Magnetic into Modnetic? Compressor is not visible but it's there in Magnetic and is very very good. Some saturation presets in MAgnetic can't be achieved with Modnetic - yet.

Dip200 · Post by **Dip200** » Thu Jun 01, 2017 2:59 pm

I would like to be able to sync the Modnetic LFO to the song position and tempo so certain modulations don't sound to random in certain situations. Overall a great plugin (probably to cpu intensive tho), bought a license. I don't even have to listen to it to like it, all I have to see are presets like "Era Basic Channel"

stkr · Post by **stkr** » Thu Jun 01, 2017 4:06 pm

Hi.

@Dip2000,
yes, it is a good idea - we talked about this a lot during development, but then realised it would not fit in the plugin without rethinking other sections (more complex than we realised). You know, the original version did not even have beat-sync for the 'Repeat' time, we were so conscious of 'doing it like hardware'

. So, maybe we will revisit this in the future. We have already had requests for Modnetic to be able to now sync control the DAW BPM, especially in live performance hosts rather than traditional DAW hosts, so we will be looking into all these things.

@kmonkey,
Well, the compression / saturation is there, it just may operate a little differently, not because we are trying to be different, but rebuilding a whole concept naturally leads to different decisions after deep listening and working out which sonic palette to follow. Modnetic saturation should be able to be driven harder maintaining high quality results, and the various tricks and oversampling this entails has caused slight differences in sound type. Modnetic is a new creation, not a clone. We spent hours weeks and months of our lives listening to and interrogating this creation, and we feel we did the best job. However, I do believe it is possible to get the same sounds as the earlier Magnetic, but maybe with slightly different settings. I believe it is you who lay down a challenge to match one of your Magnetic presets to Modnetic over on the Ableton forums? Well, I have every intention of taking up that challenge! I am sadly away at the moment on another (different) big project, but as soon as I get back it is top of my list to look into it.

I still feel that whilst there are major improvements in Modnetic, the two different Mag & Mod plugins each have a life of their own and stand up as different creative beasts, not better/worse per se.

All the best,
stkr (& soma).

stkr · Post by **stkr** » Thu Jun 01, 2017 4:11 pm

aMUSEd wrote:
bite_me wrote:
aMUSEd wrote:
bite_me wrote:Hi soma,
it seems that I cannot map the plugin knobs to my hardware knobs.
Bitwig 2.1 Win7pro x64.
Would be very nice to dub things with hands on controllers
I made a device panel for Diffuse with Bitwig 2.1 so it does work on my Mac at least. I have found some plugins in BW2 can't be mapped directly from their GUI but only via the Bitwig list of params (this is a bug I reported) but this was not one of them but maybe it's different on Win for this plugin?

Anyway try the panel, it may still work for you - it's mapped to any 8 knob controller (Links are in first post of this thread http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... l#p6790275).
Yes, I mapped from the list - not the plugin itself.
When I turn hardware-knobs, the "list-knobs" move but not the plugin-knobs.
The plugin knobs are recordable as automation like it should be, but only via mouse.
OK yes that is different from my experience, my hardware controller is moving the knobs too (both in the list and interface). Does it work with my device panel?

Just to say, we and our beta crew tested against Bitwig and many other hosts across OS X and Windows.

We have also had strange reports of parameter behaviour in the new Reason VST implementation on Windows, too.

These things happen, and at the moment it is unclear if these are host bugs or Surreal Machines bugs. I suspect host in this case, but of course it is our job to fix this so we will keep a close eye on it and get back to you.

I am pleased there are at least good workarounds at the moment.

stkr.

bite_me · Post by **bite_me** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 6:16 am

Hi aMUSEd,
I´m afraid I´m too blind to find...
Where is that panel?

bite_me · Post by **bite_me** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 6:24 am

bite_me wrote:Hi aMUSEd,
I´m afraid I´m too blind to find...
Where is that panel?

Edit: Have found your works one page1 of the thread.
Lots of work until monday on my side - so just can test later.
Thx!

kmonkey · Post by **kmonkey** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 7:13 am

stkr wrote:
@kmonkey,
Well, the compression / saturation is there, it just may operate a little differently, not because we are trying to be different, but rebuilding a whole concept naturally leads to different decisions after deep listening and working out which sonic palette to follow. Modnetic saturation should be able to be driven harder maintaining high quality results, and the various tricks and oversampling this entails has caused slight differences in sound type. Modnetic is a new creation, not a clone. We spent hours weeks and months of our lives listening to and interrogating this creation, and we feel we did the best job. However, I do believe it is possible to get the same sounds as the earlier Magnetic, but maybe with slightly different settings. I believe it is you who lay down a challenge to match one of your Magnetic presets to Modnetic over on the Ableton forums? Well, I have every intention of taking up that challenge! I am sadly away at the moment on another (different) big project, but as soon as I get back it is top of my list to look into it.

I still feel that whilst there are major improvements in Modnetic, the two different Mag & Mod plugins each have a life of their own and stand up as different creative beasts, not better/worse per se.

All the best,
stkr (& soma).

Hi! Yep that's me. Yes i agree no doubt about that Modnetic is improved version of Magnetic. I apologize if i did not make that clear (i think i did) but i truly believe Modnetic is awesome i jut miss sound of Magnetic there. It feels to me a loss of not having that saturation type.

Btw it was a question not a challenge.

Looking forward to your answer.

I am sure you guys have some amazing stuff bellow table and i look forward to it and will keep eye on your website. Your plugins created some noise in the public when they appeared as VST hehe

kmonkey · Post by **kmonkey** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 7:14 am

stkr wrote:
@kmonkey,
Well, the compression / saturation is there, it just may operate a little differently, not because we are trying to be different, but rebuilding a whole concept naturally leads to different decisions after deep listening and working out which sonic palette to follow. Modnetic saturation should be able to be driven harder maintaining high quality results, and the various tricks and oversampling this entails has caused slight differences in sound type. Modnetic is a new creation, not a clone. We spent hours weeks and months of our lives listening to and interrogating this creation, and we feel we did the best job. However, I do believe it is possible to get the same sounds as the earlier Magnetic, but maybe with slightly different settings. I believe it is you who lay down a challenge to match one of your Magnetic presets to Modnetic over on the Ableton forums? Well, I have every intention of taking up that challenge! I am sadly away at the moment on another (different) big project, but as soon as I get back it is top of my list to look into it.

I still feel that whilst there are major improvements in Modnetic, the two different Mag & Mod plugins each have a life of their own and stand up as different creative beasts, not better/worse per se.

All the best,
stkr (& soma).

Hi! Yep that's me. Yes i agree no doubt about that Modnetic is improved version of Magnetic. I apologize if i did not make that clear (i think i did) but i truly believe Modnetic is awesome i jut miss sound of Magnetic there. It feels to me a loss of not having that saturation type.

Btw it was a question not a challenge.

Looking forward to your answer.

I am sure you guys have some amazing stuff bellow table and i look forward to it and will keep eye on your website. Your plugins created some noise in the public when they appeared as VST hehe

bite_me · Post by **bite_me** » Sat Jun 03, 2017 3:58 pm

Mapping issue in Bitwig 2.1 is Vst3 related!
Vst2 works perfectly.
Sorry Guys

aMUSEd · Post by **aMUSEd** » Sat Jun 03, 2017 5:00 pm

Ah that makes sense - mostly always use the VSt2 in Bitwig (VST3 still flaky)

Dip200 · Post by **Dip200** » Wed Jun 07, 2017 3:04 pm

Can you guys make it visible when the plugins are updated in the account/download section (or add a News link or something) and maybe even add release notes ?

soma · Post by **soma** » Wed Jun 07, 2017 3:22 pm

bite_me wrote:Mapping issue in Bitwig 2.1 is Vst3 related!
Vst2 works perfectly.
Sorry Guys

Good to hear. (I think VST3 in Bitwig still has some quirks with other plugins too at the moment)

soma · Post by **soma** » Wed Jun 07, 2017 3:23 pm

Dip200 wrote:Can you guys make it visible when the plugins are updated in the account/download section (or add a News link or something) and maybe even add release notes ?

Yep. If you signup for our email list, you'll be sure to know first. (Of course we'll also update the product page here at KVR)

simmo75 · Post by **simmo75** » Wed Jun 07, 2017 4:05 pm

Hi guys, I'm just checking out Modnetic and it's GUI is tiny. Too tiny for my use.
Is there any plans on making this scaleable? Thanks.

paradiddle · Post by **paradiddle** » Wed Jun 07, 2017 4:19 pm

Got theses as I got the max4live stuff. I'm really liking them as usual. Always looking forward to new stuff from you guys.
Any unusual echo/verb is my cup of tea.

Cheers!

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