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Ben H · Post by **Ben H** » Mon Jun 12, 2017 1:45 am

@OP
If you feel the need to spend $5,000 and have an 18 core system to be able to call yourself a "Pro" ...then good for you.

Zexila · Post by **Zexila** » Mon Jun 12, 2017 12:42 pm

Michael L · Post by **Michael L** » Mon Jun 12, 2017 1:19 pm

Ben H wrote:If you feel the need to spend $5,000 and have an 18 core system to be able to call yourself a "Pro" ...then good for you.

FYI: $5,000' is the price for the "Amateur" model with only 8 cores.

trusampler · Post by **trusampler** » Mon Jun 12, 2017 1:45 pm

I've built a few hackintosh cpus, using Tony mac osx recommendations for the customac n they've worked out well in the past. I'm interested in his build for this price wise,and will be keeping an eye out for his build vs this new imac.

Ben H · Post by **Ben H** » Tue Jun 13, 2017 10:52 am

Michael L wrote:
Ben H wrote:If you feel the need to spend $5,000 and have an 18 core system to be able to call yourself a "Pro" ...then good for you.
FYI: $5,000' is the price for the "Amateur" model with only 8 cores.

I meant $5,000+

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Tue Jun 13, 2017 10:55 am

Michael L wrote:
Ben H wrote:If you feel the need to spend $5,000 and have an 18 core system to be able to call yourself a "Pro" ...then good for you.
FYI: $5,000' is the price for the "Amateur" model with only 8 cores.

lol

Jace-BeOS · Post by **Jace-BeOS** » Tue Jun 13, 2017 1:13 pm

stratology wrote:Apple has had many thermally challenging designs in the past, including the Cube, the current line of iMacs, and the trashcan Mac Pro (with Xeon CPUs). None of these machines ever had a reputation for overheating.

Thermal design is an integral part of Apple's hardware design. No reason to assume that they suddenly forgot how to do it, or that they would release a pro machine that would overheat under load.

I have a MacBook Pro that self-destructed because of heat (specifically the GPU). The MacBook Pro 3,1 line was well known for this defect and Apple even sued nvidia over the chip package, had a settlement, and offered replacement motherboards to users for a certain time (which had the same defective chip, so they'd also die). There was no way to replace the GPU by itself.

This probably wouldn't have happened in a full-size machine, either. They force these components to tolerate much wider temperature swings in much smaller spaces because "thin". My MacBook Pro 3,1 wasn't even yet the most thin they've made these things.

Then there were other MacBooks with the same problem. I think I've heard the same about one or two generations of iMac.

Then there's the Mac Pro 2013. Apple executives admitted they'd backed themselves into a corner with that thermal design. While it was a great machine for some people, it was impossible to regularly update the design to keep selling it. The Mac Pro sold today is the same as the one sold in 2013.

So yes, Apple has forgotten how to do thermal design in the context of long-lived machines and yearly upgrades. Or rather, they've CHOSEN not to care about that, because of the Apple executives obsessed with thinness are making the engineering decisions. The fact that they make machines that are this elegant for basic use is impressive, but the design fails down under heavy use scenarios. I.e.: not for use where production workhorses are needed in professional environments.

stratology · Post by **stratology** » Tue Jun 13, 2017 2:33 pm

Jace-BeOS wrote: I have a MacBook Pro that self-destructed because of heat (specifically the GPU).

This was an Nvidia GPU issue that had nothing whatsoever to do with heat or temperature management.

Why do you think it would have anything to do with temperature management?
When a Mac overheats, it shuts down automatically.
So if you see intermittent shutdowns, that may be an indication of an overheating issue.

The symptoms of the Nvidia issue were entirely different - graphics issues, no shutdowns.

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Tue Jun 13, 2017 3:12 pm

Wow, a Mac really shuts down when overheating? That's amazing, state of the art technology there, which is absolutely unseen anywhere else.

Sorry, couldn't help it.

fmr · Post by **fmr** » Tue Jun 13, 2017 3:37 pm

And what about CPU fans uncontrolled just because we replaced an item in the computer? (in my case, it was the motherboard that failed, and was replaced AT A MAC AUTHORIZED SERVICE by another Apple MoBo). Yet the CPU fan is now uncontrolled, and I had to install a third party control panel to prevent it to work always at full power - othwerwise, my iMac would be like a turbo jet.

How about that for state of the art technology? Apple completely lost the sense of ridicule.

fmr · Post by **fmr** » Tue Jun 13, 2017 3:47 pm

stratology wrote:
fmr wrote: Actually, I remember reading several reports about overheating in Macbooks and Cubes.
Link?...

Just try this: https://www.google.pt/search?q=macbook+ ... _SXtetkMAO

Plenty of results, and actually many by Mac dedicated sites so, hard to blame users for those. Actually, a site even wrote this, about Macbook Air: "Intensive processes like rendering video, playing games or leaving fifty tabs open take their toll on your processor, which generates heat that only has one route of escape. These machines were simply not built for demanding tasks and that’s reflected in the cooling supplied by Apple."

Apparently, these machines were built just for simple trasks, like navigating the Net (with just one tab opened) and reading email

annode · Post by **annode** » Tue Jun 13, 2017 3:48 pm

Apple stocks have dropped considerably the last few days. This thread must be having an impact.

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Tue Jun 13, 2017 4:11 pm

annode wrote:Apple stocks have dropped considerably the last few days. This thread must be having an impact.

On the other hand, they surely have a hard time to deliver, when people always expects the next groundbreaking, and totally new, never seen stuff from them, on any of the IT tech congresses. But then, Steve Jobbs was pretty good at selling stuff as totally new and unique, and the people fell for it, again and again, so, there's really no point in any kind of pity in that regard.

stratology · Post by **stratology** » Tue Jun 13, 2017 5:11 pm

fmr wrote: Just try this: https://www.google.pt/search?q=macbook+ ... _SXtetkMAO

Plenty of results

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stratology · Post by **stratology** » Tue Jun 13, 2017 5:15 pm

Apple announced a new iMac Pro, to be released in December.

Nobody on KVR has seen the machine, touched it, tried it, or knows any design details about it.

Still, KVR members make up imaginary thermal issues that certainly must affect this unreleased Mac.

“But I don’t want to go among mad people," Alice remarked.
"Oh, you can’t help that," said the Cat: "we’re all mad here. I’m mad. You’re mad."
"How do you know I’m mad?" said Alice.
"You must be," said the Cat, "or you wouldn’t have come here.”

New Apple iMac Pro - 18 cores, built for the pros