New Apple iMac Pro - 18 cores, built for the pros

[fmr]

Just try this: https://www.google.pt/search?q=macbook+ ... _SXtetkMAO

Plenty of results

Just try this, plenty of results: ...

Wow... In denial, are you? OK

[stratology]

Wow... In denial, are you? OK

If you follow your link, you'll find advertisements for 'fan control' apps.

Installing these is a fantastic way to screw up your Mac.

The OS controls fans automatically.
There are no guidelines (available outside of Apple) as to which temperature each sensor is supposed to see. So all the temperature values that these apps show are completely meaningless.

If a user installs a fan control app and then runs into any kind of issues, it does not mean that there are issues with thermal design. It means that the issue is between the chair and the computer.

[annode]

Apple announced a new iMac Pro, to be released in December.

Nobody on KVR has seen the machine, touched it, tried it, or knows any design details about it.

Still, KVR members make up imaginary thermal issues that certainly must affect this unreleased Mac.

The Site goes into specs and construction.
I believe it comes with a 500watt PSU. That means the system is expected to be able to dissipate heat relative to the efficiency of that system under load. 500watts is a good deal of power in such a small package. New switching PSUs and 25nanometer circuitry(whatever it is now) has a direct baring on how much heat is produced as a byproduct of 500watts of work.

Yes, ppl are assuming things...the naysayers...

[fmr]

Wow... In denial, are you? OK

If you follow your link, you'll find advertisements for 'fan control' apps.

Installing these is a fantastic way to screw up your Mac.

The OS controls fans automatically.
There are no guidelines (available outside of Apple) as to which temperature each sensor is supposed to see. So all the temperature values that these apps show are completely meaningless.

If a user installs a fan control app and then runs into any kind of issues, it does not mean that there are issues with thermal design. It means that the issue is between the chair and the computer.

Actually, the OS controls fans SO WELL that if we change the hardware, those become permanent ON. That's a freakin BAD design from Apple. I know, it happened to me, and I had to install one of those control panels you are blaming, in order to shut the stupid FAN which was always blowing like an airplane turbine. So, the issue is INSIDE the computer, and is the OS you should blame for.

If you were not a blind fanboy you would question yourself why those control panels exist in the first place. Look for similar apps for Windows - USUALLY THERE ISN'T. Because in Windows, it's the machine BIOS that controls the FANs.

So, instead of blaming users (as always, the usual speech "Apple is always right and the users are just so stupid they don't understand it") you should question yourself why users feel the need for those control panels you are blaming in the first place. And you will see in my query lots of links by "official support" Apple sites talking about overheating and giving advice about what to do. Are you REALLY pretending that isn't an issue?

And what do you mean by "all the temperature values that these apps show are completely meaningless"? Heat is heat, and is the same everywhere. Stop pretending that macs are some kind of supr secret weapon. They are common computers, and when they heat, they may burn, like any other.

[Michael L]

Not to worry! The new iMacs have more FANS and vents, which is one reason they cost more, so only Pros can afford them, and Pros are too smart to mess with FAN settings, so its all cool....

[stratology]

Actually, the OS controls fans SO WELL that if we change the hardware, those become permanent ON. That's a freakin BAD design from Apple.

Haha, you install hardware that does not match (wow, smart), and then blame Apple if you get unexpected results. Brilliant.

Changing a fan in a Mac is trivially easy, I've done it many times in previous jobs. I've never had fans going on full blast afterwards. There's this thing called "The Google", which can help you find out which replacement fans actually match the logic board.
You, obviously, have to do an SMC reset after any kind of hardware change.

Because in Windows, it's the machine BIOS that controls the FANs.

BIOS is and has always been a major security risk. There are literally countless exploits.
Apple used Open Firmware in the PPC days, and EFI in the Intel days. More powerful, much more secure.

[fmr]

Actually, the OS controls fans SO WELL that if we change the hardware, those become permanent ON. That's a freakin BAD design from Apple.

Haha, you install hardware that does not match (wow, smart), and then blame Apple if you get unexpected results. Brilliant.

It was (is) an official new Apple MoBo and was installed by an authorized Apple Service Center, moron. So, yes, it's Apple fault if the ROMs fail to even recognize it's own hardware.

And why would it have to recognize any hardware in the first place? Huh?

Oh, and BTW, all MoBos nowadays use EFI BIOS. What do you think?

[stratology]

And you will see in my query lots of links by "official support" Apple sites talking about overheating and giving advice about what to do.

Link, please.

All official Apple sites have an 'apple.com' URL, of course.
There is only one official Apple support site, it's https://support.apple.com.

Mac hardware repairs are done by Apple Authorised Service Providers. They're not Apple, but employees receive training and certifications from Apple.

[annode]

Get a room!

[stratology]

Oh, and BTW, all MoBos nowadays use EFI BIOS. What do you think?

I think after informing you about The Google, it may be time to inform you about another very useful website, called Wikipedia.

There you can find out what BIOS and EFI are, and that they are different things.

Quote:
"Alternatives and successors

As of 2011, the BIOS is being replaced by the more complex Extensible Firmware Interface (EFI) in many new machines. EFI is a specification which replaces the runtime interface of the legacy BIOS."

[keyman_sam]

The way I see it, there are some alternatives though not as satisfying as a do-it-all iMac pro.

Cheaper alternatives to getting higher performance:
1). Cheap slave PC with VEP5 (<$500)
2). SSD for project folder and some sample intensive VSTs (omnisphere, Kontakt)
3). Avoid CPU hungry vsts like izotope and opt for Waves, T-Racks, ReaPlugs, NI, stock, etc. which are much more CPU friendly
4). Try to keep lower track count in productions

Though I follow all the above except for SSDs sometimes it is frustrating to not be able to add an instance of Ozone EQ or somesuch before I get dropouts. Especially for VST FX once I hit the limit I'll have to resort to freezing before I can do anything.

A very powerful mac is a tempting alternative but it isn't lost on me that I can get the same performance with a PC DAW builder, without the added overhead of the monitor. For one, I'm determined to get a laptop next for my DAW instead of a desktop.

[Ben H]

Hey Apple fans,

The amount of money that you MAKE from your craft determines whether you are a Pro or not.

NOT the amount of money that you spend on your tools/toys.

[Zexila]

Hey Apple fans,

The amount of money that you MAKE from your craft determines whether you are a Pro or not.

NOT the amount of money that you spend on your tools/toys.

Pro would spend money on stuff that earns him money, especially something that pays itself quickly and it's quite essential to his craft.

[fmr]

Oh, and BTW, all MoBos nowadays use EFI BIOS. What do you think?

I think after informing you about The Google, it may be time to inform you about another very useful website, called Wikipedia..

And I think you should learn a little beyond Wikipedia:

"UEFI is a cross-platform firmware interface that replaces the x86-specific firmware standard named BIOS. Many UEFI implementations also include a BIOS compatibility/"legacy" mode, to enable booting from MBRs and presenting a BIOS-like interface to OSes; however, this is not required by the standard."

You will hardly inform me about anything, since I know more than Macs, which you clearly don't. Go back to play with your iToys.

[Michael L]

Not to distract from the impressive display of wisdom above, but here's a recent video on another age-old debate: Pros with Amateur Gear vs Amateurs with Pro gear, in a studio:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4BLa7Bj2fU4