New Apple iMac Pro - 18 cores, built for the pros

[Zexila]

Not to distract from the impressive display of wisdom above, but here's a recent video on another age-old debate: Pros with Amateur Gear vs Amateurs with Pro gear, in a studio:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4BLa7Bj2fU4

Nobody said one needs pro gear to be a pro, but pro wouldn't sacrifice his earnings cutting corners on essentials if the job could be done faster and even easier, time is money for plenty of them.

[Michael L]

Totally agree. On one hand, the old familiar gear is often faster than the new expensive learning curve. On the other hand, I will soon need a Mac Pro!

[legendCNCD]

Still, KVR members make up imaginary thermal issues that certainly must affect this unreleased Mac.

Its the history.
For the mac laptops, they have tendency to be silent when not using CPU, but when CPU usage goes stadily over 40% or such, they start to whine and later on, the whole chassis gets too hot to touch and sound too high to have in studio. Too much compromising thermals, but I guess they are meant to be used in a posh cafe and browse fecesbook or pinterest... (note )

[stratology]

moron

May I offer you some Camomile tea?


You may also peruse the previously mentioned so-called 'Google' website to seek professional help for anger issues.

[stratology]

Still, KVR members make up imaginary thermal issues that certainly must affect this unreleased Mac.

Its the history.
For the mac laptops, they have tendency to be silent when not using CPU, but when CPU usage goes stadily over 40% or such, they start to whine and later on, the whole chassis gets too hot to touch and sound too high to have in studio. Too much compromising thermals, but I guess they are meant to be used in a posh cafe and browse fecesbook or pinterest... (note )

You're a Windows user, right?
You obviously are unfamiliar with Macs.
Why do you visit Mac threads?
Why do you make up issues that you obviously have no real-world experience with?

[Guenon]

Why do you make up issues that you obviously have no real-world experience with?

Stratology, it's difficult to take your points like this one seriously, when at the same time you generalize in this fashion:

You can have a 'powerful' PC for less money than a similar Mac as long as:

- you ignore total cost of ownership
- you ignore resale value
- you evaluate computers the way it was done in the 1990s (CPU speed and RAM tunnel vision)
- you ignore the value of software - both the OS and included apps
- you ignore the quality and speed of connections to peripherals
- you ignore build quality and materials
- you ignore the value of design (meaning actual design, like the design of trackpads, not 'looks')
- you ignore durability
- you ignore follow up cost for pro software (compare the price of Motion to similar PC apps. Or developer tools. Or FCP.)
- you ignore time spent for maintenance
- you ignore the speed of OS development
- you ignore integration with other computing devices
- you ignore actual customer satisfaction as a valid metric

Implying that, to have a "similar" PC for less money, a person needs to ignore all of those things... isn't an objective observation. It's poor discussion and is only an attempt at making your own favorite platform look better.

[stratology]

Implying that, to have a "similar" PC for less money, a person needs to ignore all of those things... isn't an objective observation.

Serious question: so is it now possible in Windows to create a smart folder that finds (and automatically updates with) all 24bit/96k files created last week that have your name as composer attached?

Last time I looked into Windows there was no match for good metadata based search. Please let me know if this has actually changed.


Since when has Windows included its equivalent to Time Machine, what's it called, and how does it work?
(Features of Time Machine include that you can open the Mail or Photos app, and browse back in time to find deleted mails or pics, without having to use the file system...).

Since when has Windows included an equivalent to the Keychain? What's it called? To which kinds of devices (phones, tablets) is cloud sync of passwords supported?

Which app included with Windows is the equivalent to Garageband?

Please post any info (link) that actually shows that resale value of PCs is higher than that of Macs of the same age and price.


Let me add a design example: backlit keyboards with ambient light sensors became available on Macs in 2003. When did they become available for PCs?



These are just a handful of obvious examples that allow an objective comparison.

[Jace-BeOS]

Implying that, to have a "similar" PC for less money, a person needs to ignore all of those things... isn't an objective observation.

Serious question: so is it now possible in Windows to create a smart folder that finds (and automatically updates with) all 24bit/96k files created last week that have your name as composer attached?

Last time I looked into Windows there was no match for good metadata based search. Please let me know if this has actually changed.


Since when has Windows included its equivalent to Time Machine, what's it called, and how does it work?
(Features of Time Machine include that you can open the Mail or Photos app, and browse back in time to find deleted mails or pics, without having to use the file system...).

Since when has Windows included an equivalent to the Keychain? What's it called? To which kinds of devices (phones, tablets) is cloud sync of passwords supported?

Which app included with Windows is the equivalent to Garageband?

Please post any info (link) that actually shows that resale value of PCs is higher than that of Macs of the same age and price.


Let me add a design example: backlit keyboards with ambient light sensors became available on Macs in 2003. When did they become available for PCs?



These are just a handful of obvious examples that allow an objective comparison.

You're not going to get argument from me about the Mac being a better platform than the Win/PC platform. However, it's not as cut and dry as it was between 2007-2012 (when Apple won my conversion).

The GPU problem I mentioned and you blew off as nvidia's problem (rather than Apple's) shows us the thermal problems in tightly packed computers and showcases their lack of component-level repairability. That machine wasn't the only occurrence of this problem, it doesn't just strike Apple machines (but they're possibly the most angering occurrences due to costs), and it is possible these failures are triggered by the containing system's thermal setup, not the chip package's tolerances (do similar chips fail in desktops with more heat dissipation?).

The point of my contention is that Apple pushes the tolerances too far for thinness and that the lack of serviceability is a HUGE no-no for consumer care and environmental sanity.

[stratology]

The GPU problem I mentioned and you blew off as nvidia's problem (rather than Apple's) shows us the thermal problems in tightly packed computers and showcases their lack of component-level repairability.

Again, the Nvidia issue from 7 years ago had nothing to do with thermal problems. The issue was faulty Nvidia GPUs. Apple took responsibility and offered a replacement program for the motherboards.

If you had an affected Mac repaired, you may remember that Apple Authorised Service Providers used testing software on a USB stick, to verify that the issue is actually with the GPU (as opposed to, say, an issue with the connection between the MLB and display).

Common sense: if it had been a thermal design problem, not a GPU chip problem, the issue would have re-occurred after the motherboards of affected Macs were replaced. Replacing the logic board does not change the thermal design in any way.

[chk071]

Man, you should really take some time off the net.

[stratology]

Man, you should really take some time off the net.

..says the guy with over 12,000 posts in 7 years to the guy with 36 posts in 13 years..

[Late_Bloomer]

Man, you should really take some time off the net.

He/She should at least get compensated by Apple for being such a passionate advocate of their products. Though, in a way, it does come off as religious fanaticism.

[stratology]

Though, in a way, it does come off as religious fanaticism.

The whole Apple=religion idiocy always comes from people who really don't get technology...

[fmr]

moron

May I offer you some Camomile tea?

You may also peruse the previously mentioned so-called 'Google' website to seek professional help for anger issues.

In denial, and with a lack of arguments, so, it goes to Camomile tea...

Everybody is wrong, except you, the prophet of the new era of triumph of Apple technology

[stratology]

Everybody is wrong, except you, the prophet of the new era of triumph of Apple technology

You're out of your depth when talking about technology, so you try to steer the conversation to talk about me, and toward an emotional rather than factual discussion by personal insults.