New Apple iMac Pro - 18 cores, built for the pros

[ericj23]

Funny thing is, it'll screw up Windows as well, which is likely where their poor experience came from in the first place.

So you recommend to run Windows without any antivirus software?

Windows comes with one that just works and has done for 5 years. So yes.

[robotmonkey]

Funny thing is, it'll screw up Windows as well, which is likely where their poor experience came from in the first place.

So you recommend to run Windows without any antivirus software?

Windows comes with one that just works and has done for 5 years. So yes.

Really bad advice. Even though Windows Defender in the last Creators Update is improved, it's still not as effective as a proper endpoint protection product form any of the top vendors.

[robotmonkey]

However, the difference is that I was referring to a specific case - yours, but you chose to go for a generalization instead.

Blah blah blah. I want to talk about metadata based search, you want to talk about me.


You genuinely think that seeing the advantage of a Unix based OS, of modern metadata handling, of including backup and password management software, of glass trackpads, of unibody aluminium casings, of custom firmware chips that allow the fastest SSD read speeds on the market, of 200Hz display refresh rates, of a built in Apache web server, of the ability to switch network locations with a click, of Thunderbolt 3 connectivity that is multiple times faster than USB3, of magsafe adapters, of best in class accessibility features, of being able to switch languages on the fly on a per-app basis, of an audio plug in system that's part of the OS, of free developer tools, of an included DAW, of magnetic latches, of pdf display tech that's part of the OS, of rootless (SIP), of being able to type an umlaut without having to memorise ASCII codes, of immediate wake up when opening the lid on a laptop, of energy efficiency, of adhering to environmental standards, of a seamless transition to 24bit, of a seamless transition to a new file system, of shared desktops, of core midi and core audio technologies, are somehow irrelevant, because we Mac users choose the platform because of unspecified 'religious' reasons and vanity???

The problem is that Windows and PC being an open system there's hundred better third party variants of every Apple feature. You can have your hardware exactly as you want with all the bells and whistles Apple offers. And with good design to boot with. You make it out to be like those things are impossible on PC which is nonsense. Hardware wise PC is way better platform however you look at it. OS wise yes, some of the functions in the OS might not be comparable one to one, but in most cases you have everything in Windows and the rest can be had as a third party solution if you badly need it.

And most of the things of the list are nothing special to Mac or are not any kind of special advantages at all. Magsafe adapters and magnetic latches? Jesus Christ on a bike, the rabid fanboyism is sky high.

[legendCNCD]

If somebody was given a MacBook for free, given a few weeks to adjust, they would never go back to using a Windows machine

I'm not trying to convince you or continue debate, just saying my experience here:

I was given mac laptop for work usage (I'm graphics guy) but I changed to Windows in about 2 months.
So many annoyances and even crashes with Adobe software (GPU driver dies, OSX dies, does not happen on Windows since Vista). It felt every day like I was fighting against the OS, like back in XP days on Windows. Also 8GB was not really enough for OS + adobe software, OSX handles swapping really bad, XP comes to my mind.

So, not all of us like it. I actually kinda liked OSX 10.5. back in the day, but still all the same non-standard keyboards and so on are there on hardware too.

Now I have desktop i5 16GB and Windows, no problems at all. Never crashed either.

Edit: Oh I actually installed Win10 on that laptop, it was faster than OSX on it! But the keyboard being non-standard did put me really off using it.

[chk071]

Yeah... i'm sure a gamer would never want to go back to Windows, when he gets a Macbook for free. Only that none of his games would work with Mac OS. Not that, if the use case was another, it was any more valid. I'd take a Macbook for free though. So, if anyone has one spare, PM me for details. I'd even pay for the shipping, i think.

[stratology]

Funny thing is, it'll screw up Windows as well, which is likely where their poor experience came from in the first place.

So you recommend to run Windows without any antivirus software?

Windows comes with one that just works and has done for 5 years. So yes.

So when you get a new PC, you install one driver for your audio interface, install Cubase, and start working? Cool, Windows is as good as macOS.

[stratology]

I really do not see how there's any good value in those closed system all-in-ones.

Here's the long list of Open Source technologies that Apple uses. This includes opensourcing some Apple developed technologies, like the web engine of Safari.

Please kindly provide a link to a list of Open Source technologies that are part of Windows.

Macs have always been way overpriced (for the design supposedly). The reality is that Apple is not the only company that can do design well. There's plenty of case makers that have way better looking and more functional cases than Apple has ever had.

Wow, so many clichés in just 3 sentences.
If you actually compare like-for-like features, the price difference is small. If you take longevity and resale value into account, the price difference disappears.

You're confusing 'design' with looks, like what a case looks like. Actual design is about functionality. Examples are glass trackpads, asymmetrical fan blades, or the layered design of security software.

[stratology]

Yeah... i'm sure a gamer would never want to go back to Windows, when he gets a Macbook for free. Only that none of his games would work with Mac OS.

You do realise that the most popular gaming platform on the planet is iOS, right?

[robotmonkey]

I really do not see how there's any good value in those closed system all-in-ones.

Here's the long list of Open Source technologies that Apple uses. This includes opensourcing some Apple developed technologies, like the web engine of Safari.

Please kindly provide a link to a list of Open Source technologies that are part of Windows.

What has open source gotta do with anything? What I'm saying is that Apple platform is a closed walled-garden as it comes software and hardware. You can't even replace the RAM and HDD on newer Apple computers. How stupid is that?

Macs have always been way overpriced (for the design supposedly). The reality is that Apple is not the only company that can do design well. There's plenty of case makers that have way better looking and more functional cases than Apple has ever had.

Wow, so many clichés in just 3 sentences.
If you actually compare like-for-like features, the price difference is small. If you take longevity and resale value into account, the price difference disappears.

You're confusing 'design' with looks, like what a case looks like. Actual design is about functionality. Examples are glass trackpads, asymmetrical fan blades, or the layered design of security software.

No, I'm not confusing nothing. Just please take a look at the PC casing market. Tons of designs that blow Apple out of water in both look and functionality. Especially as you actually can replace the hardware in them.

[chk071]

Yeah... i'm sure a gamer would never want to go back to Windows, when he gets a Macbook for free. Only that none of his games would work with Mac OS.

You do realise that the most popular gaming platform on the planet is iOS, right?

"Gaming". You mean "mobile gaming", right? The most popular gaming platforms are Xbox and Playstation. Followed by PC, which barely has 20% market share though, even though it is a very popular platform for gaming.

I doubt iOS is even the most popular mobile gaming platform though. Android has a bigger market share on mobile devices, and mobile games are also pretty popular on Android. But, again, i was talking about gaming here, not mobile gaming. And i can't remember this thread was about iOS either. But, nice try.

[robotmonkey]

Wow, so many clichés in just 3 sentences.
If you actually compare like-for-like features, the price difference is small. If you take longevity and resale value into account, the price difference disappears.

I'll give you that, that Macs have better resale value. But then again, that is completely moot point. What is better value - being able to upgrade your computer with off the shelf components during its use life cycle or being able to sell it second hand later? Having had several computers during past 30 years or so, I have never once sold any of them second hand and not felt a particular need to do so nor seen a point in doing so. So I'd argue that resale value is consideration maybe only to some Mac people. I doubt anyone in PC world even thinks about that.

[keyman_sam]

Price a Mac against a prominent DAW builder and you'll see Apple's prices are pretty comparable. Especially for the better design/sexier look. So I'm surprised that we're still talking about price. I thought it was agreed upon that Macs are comparably priced to similar spec/quality PCs.

Let's not do the "lemme build you a Mac killer for less than 1000$" game. I get it. I think the rest of the world gets that.

[chk071]

Price a Mac against a prominent DAW builder and you'll see Apple's prices are pretty comparable. Especially for the better design/sexier look. So I'm surprised that we're still talking about price. I thought it was agreed upon that Macs are comparably priced to similar spec/quality PCs.

Let's not do the "lemme build you a Mac killer for less than 1000$" game. I get it. I think the rest of the world gets that.

How does that fit together? Prices are comparable, but let's not compare, or we will see that a similarly spec'd PC is a $1000 less expensive?

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

Price a Mac against a prominent DAW builder and you'll see Apple's prices are pretty comparable. Especially for the better design/sexier look. So I'm surprised that we're still talking about price. I thought it was agreed upon that Macs are comparably priced to similar spec/quality PCs.

Let's not do the "lemme build you a Mac killer for less than 1000$" game. I get it. I think the rest of the world gets that.

How does that fit together? Prices are comparable, but let's not compare, or we will see that a similarly spec'd PC is a $1000 less expensive?

It's pretty simple: Both the bespoke audio-computer builder, and Apple's offerings, come to you already to use. Buying your own parts, assembling them, and bragging about how much cheaper your computer is, doesn't make sense.

Just because you can buy some ingredients to make a curry at home, for cheap, doesn't mean you never spend many times that amount having someone else make the meal for you

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

Yeah... i'm sure a gamer would never want to go back to Windows, when he gets a Macbook for free. Only that none of his games would work with Mac OS. Not that, if the use case was another, it was any more valid. I'd take a Macbook for free though. So, if anyone has one spare, PM me for details. I'd even pay for the shipping, i think.

I used to game in Parallels all the time, but am now running Windows 10 in Bootcamp. Works perfectly, and when all you have to do is double-clock on games you want to play, Windows is even tolerable