KVR Audio

Bump1 · Post by **Bump1** » Thu Jul 06, 2017 8:18 am

Well no....lol

It's not possible to make your own sounds from scratch. That's where the distinction comes in.

Sampled waveforms aren't "generators" per se.

You're limited to the waveforms sampled from the AX80.

EDIT: after digging more I to the manual...it seems the cross modulation is capable in other ways, the oscs can be synced as well.

There's is no way to adjust the HPF of the LFO section however and the LFO delay, while not having a dedicated control can be done through the step modulator section.

Still no key follow for the filter unless this feature is hardcoded.

Lol sorry if I seem obsessed but the AX80 is a synth I'm extremely passionate about lol.

One if the most underrated synths the ever.

layzer · Post by **layzer** » Thu Jul 06, 2017 8:33 am

woodsdenis wrote:Love the UVI stuff in general but why this ? Hardly a sought after or particularly nice sounding original synth. What am I missing here?

you are missing the fact that the AX80 makes powerful bass sounds out of its hardware output.
hardly recreated in this software thing. i know, i own one.

hardware AX80 bass used on this classic new order cover:
https://soundcloud.com/layzerkvr/blackmonday

jbuonacc · Post by **jbuonacc** » Thu Jul 06, 2017 9:11 am

layzer wrote:... the AX80 makes powerful bass sounds out of its hardware output.
hardly recreated in this software thing. i know, i own one.

so the UVI can't "make powerful bass sounds"? oh, that's right - you've never used any of their stuff, because it (gasp) costs money. get lost. how about next time you post something you first ask yourself "am i about to say something which is so easily refutable that i look like a complete jackass?"

sampled or not, the UVI "emulations" put out PLENTY of bass.

Bump1 · Post by **Bump1** » Thu Jul 06, 2017 9:16 am

jbuonacc wrote:
layzer wrote:... the AX80 makes powerful bass sounds out of its hardware output.
hardly recreated in this software thing. i know, i own one.
so the UVI can't "make powerful bass sounds"? oh, that's right - you've never used any of their stuff, because it (gasp) costs money. get lost. how about next time you post something you first ask yourself "am i about to say something which is so easily refutable that i look like a complete jackass?"

sampled or not, the UVI "emulations" put out PLENTY of bass.

This isn't an emulation. Not even close.

That being said, the UVX80 I'm sure can make "powerful bass sounds" even out of an audio interfaces output!!

Hard to believe!!

Aloysius · Post by **Aloysius** » Thu Jul 06, 2017 9:22 am

If like me, you don't feel like spending right now, you can get some free 'nki' and 'exs' stuff here:

http://modularsamples.com/

Synths

Akai AX80

layzer · Post by **layzer** » Thu Jul 06, 2017 9:23 am

jbuonacc wrote:
layzer wrote:... the AX80 makes powerful bass sounds out of its hardware output.
hardly recreated in this software thing. i know, i own one.
so the UVI can't "make powerful bass sounds"? oh, that's right - you've never used any of their stuff, because it (gasp) costs money. get lost. how about next time you post something you first ask yourself "am i about to say something which is so easily refutable that i look like a complete jackass?"

sampled or not, the UVI "emulations" put out PLENTY of bass.

oh you again. go F yourself, dude.

jbuonacc · Post by **jbuonacc** » Thu Jul 06, 2017 9:46 am

Bump1 wrote:This isn't an emulation. Not even close.

uhh... yeah. no shit. notice the quotation marks.

robotmonkey · Post by **robotmonkey** » Thu Jul 06, 2017 9:56 am

Why do we get into those pointless discussion weather UVI libraries are synths or not every time? UVI libraries are not synths, end of story.

They are sample libraries with some very basic control over things like volume and filter envelopes, and tone like filter cutoff with the addition of some basic FX. A synth this does not make.

UVI libraries are not even romplers in the proper sense of the word. In a proper rompler a sound is still generated algorithmically even if the osc starting point is a PCM waveform. UVI libraries are just a collection of fully sampled sounds with some additional basic control over them. That they throw a nice GUI over them does not make them synths.

Aloysius · Post by **Aloysius** » Thu Jul 06, 2017 9:57 am

go 'A5 (add 11)' yourself, dude

Bump1 · Post by **Bump1** » Thu Jul 06, 2017 10:02 am

robotmonkey wrote:They are sample libraries with some very basic control over things like volume and filter envelopes, and tone like filter cutoff with the addition of some basic FX. A synth this does not make.

Sorry, but those basic controls are 75% of what a synth is...the only discrepancy being whether there are actual generators or not.

Oscillator, filter, envelope, amp = a synth.

Kumi_27 · Post by **Kumi_27** » Thu Jul 06, 2017 11:28 am

But the type of oscillators, filters and envelopes determines, how the synth sounds.
UVI Workstation doesn't have the filters from AX80. You're limited to what was sampled and not much more.

jbuonacc · Post by **jbuonacc** » Thu Jul 06, 2017 11:51 am

Kumi_27 wrote:But the type of oscillators, filters and envelopes determines, how the synth sounds.
UVI Workstation doesn't have the filters from AX80. You're limited to what was sampled and not much more.

that doesn't make it any less of a "synth", at all (though i'm hesitant to pin the term synth or ROMpler onto them myself). you can still shape these sounds into something quite different than the base samples using the included synth components (filters, envelopes, etc). besides sampling full patches from the originals, a number of them offer more standard oscillator waveform samples from the originals. they don't do this nearly enough though, and either way i always find that the UVI stuff is somewhat less than they could be. it's like they only ever go 60% with it, there's so much more that they could do.

i haven't used it, and i've found almost zero examples of it being done, but loading these things into Falcon could really be the thing that makes them more of what they could/should be. if you can edit the samples to be looping single-cycle waveforms (for example), then you're in standard ROMpler/synth territory right there. i'd say they're already close enough to what anyone would consider a ROMpler anyway, and without splitting hairs i think a ROMpler like the Roland JV series certainly qualifies as a "synthesizer". could an Akai or E-mu sampler be considered a synth? in some ways, as long as they're doing more than straight playback of sampled sounds, i think they could.

otristan · Post by **otristan** » Thu Jul 06, 2017 12:26 pm

The issue with single cycle waveform is that you lose the vibe of the original analog hardware with its imperfection
which give a less static sound hence the sample base approach as opposed to wavetable.

In any case, this is clearly not a 100% reproduction of the hardware and this wasn't our goal.
You still get the vibe of the orignal though.

Bump1 · Post by **Bump1** » Thu Jul 06, 2017 12:29 pm

otristan wrote:The issue with single cycle waveform is that you lose the vibe of the original analog hardware with its imperfection
which give a less static sound hence the sample base approach as opposed to wavetable.

In any case, this is clearly not a 100% reproduction of the hardware and this wasn't our goal.
You still get the vibe of the orignal though.

You should model the AX80 filter though

Nothing sounds like it

robotmonkey · Post by **robotmonkey** » Thu Jul 06, 2017 12:37 pm

jbuonacc wrote:Could an Akai or E-mu sampler be considered a synth?

Probably not. That's why they are called samplers and not synths.

New from UVI: UVX80 (AKAI AX80 re-imagining)