Psytrance parties and girls

[recursive one]

Psytrance is EDM

You are EDM yourself.

I'll now start killing a kitten each time I hear someone calls psytrance EDM.

Well, psytrance is EDM if you use the original meaning, which has been around since at least the early 90s, of the acronym, i.e., an umbrella term for all "electronic dance music." EDM became a genre when the ignorant started using the umbrella term to describe that thing that they had just discovered.

It's no different than when the masses in the 90s started using "techno" to describe all four on the floor dance music.

I know. I also know about the confusion with the word "techno", the first techno act i heard in my life were 2unlimited. It was a stereotypical knee jerk reaction to a stereotypical trolling attempt.

Anyway I now have few kitten sitting in a box in my bedroom (the same bedroom where i produce teh psytarnce).

[Numanoid]

I know. I also know about the confusion with the word "techno"

It's like labeling everything as rock.

That is a good thing about the Grammy awards, they really know how to appreciate diversification of music, they used to have an own price for Norteño, I didn't even know that genre existed

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grammy_Aw ... %B1o_Album

[ghettosynth]

Well, psytrance is EDM if you use the original meaning, which has been around since at least the early 90s, of the acronym, i.e., an umbrella term for all "electronic dance music."

Source?

I read mixmag alot during the 90's they never talked about Electronic Dance Music or EDM ?

If you ask me EDM is a total revisionist term, like calling Beatles Brit-pop

Nope, it appears in usenet and numerous mailing lists from back then. I've posted links before, I'm not going to go look for them now. Mixmag is hardly a reference here. Moreover, you have to ask where does the phrase EDM come from if not "Electronic Dance Music"

A lot of the archives are long gone from the known internet, e.g., much of the Hyperreal.org rave archives where there were regular discussions of the minutia of genre classification

It was used so casually and obviously that it's not exactly something that would be documented as you might imagine. A related acronym that goes back even further is EBM, Electronic Body Music.

Christ, Wikipedia spells it out for you:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_dance_music

Here's the definition from 2001, the earliest on Wikipedia

Music created using computers, samplers and other electronic tools as well as traditional intruments and voice with strong rythm intended to be danced too.



The most popular genere if is House Music.

The strikeout indicates the correction from a 2002 post.

Google trends only goes back to 2004 but shows clear activity on the phrase from that time. Not as much as since 2012, obviously, but that's because, like I said, it wasn't used inappropriately by the clueless back then.

https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&q=EDM

Compare and contrast to the use of "techno"

https://trends.google.com/trends/explor ... EDM,techno

Here we include "Drum and Bass", a term that acts as a baseline (no pun intended) as it has never been seriously misused or adopted by the masses. You can clearly see the change in the masses preference for their misused terms as well as the constant baseline activity over that time from those who participated in the culture.

https://trends.google.com/trends/explor ... %20Bass%22

[Numanoid]

Christ, Wikipedia spells it out for you:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_dance_music

Oh Wikipedia, then it is the truth no doubt

[chk071]

So. Giorgio Moroder was EDM too. Or Kraftwerk. Interesting.

Even Madonna is EDM then, i guess. Or Rap.

[ghettosynth]

Christ, Wikipedia spells it out for you:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_dance_music

Oh Wikipedia, then it is the truth no doubt

It's one of many datapoints that indicates that the term was in use by the community and had a clear meaning LONG BEFORE the current misuse of the term.

If you think that you're right go edit the Wiki page and we'll watch you get smacked down by those who know better.

[Numanoid]

So. Giorgio Moroder was EDM too. Or Kraftwerk. Interesting.

As long as somebody says it on Wikipedia it is correct

[ghettosynth]

So. Giorgio Moroder was EDM too. Or Kraftwerk. Interesting.

Even Madonna is EDM then, i guess. Or Rap.

The phrase came into popular usage in the 90s by the underground EDM community, I suspect, largely as a reaction to the misuse of the genre label "techno."

In general, that community had little use for rap, so, while it seems that technically it would fit, it's not used in that way. Madonna, however, was often referred to as "techno" by the ignorant in the 90s, and, in fact, had some dance floor club remixes that were done by prominent house/techno/trance DJs so, yes, some of her catalogue would be EDM.

I'm not sure what you're trying to question? The term is used as an umbrella term for electronic dance music and has been so since at least the mid 90s. So, whether or not it applies to early disco is beside the point. Are you seriously trying to disprove a genre label with silly examples?

Go read the wikipedia page and educate yourself, then, if you want to call disco EDM, knock yourself out, but, that wasn't the context in which it was defined.

[AnX]

So. Giorgio Moroder was EDM too. Or Kraftwerk. Interesting.

Kraftwerk have never been interesting.

[Numanoid]

Kraftwerk have never been interesting.

+1

This is how it is done!

[ghettosynth]

So. Giorgio Moroder was EDM too. Or Kraftwerk. Interesting.

As long as somebody says it on Wikipedia it is correct

This is an old saw that has generally been refuted by research. Wikipedia is correct here, and frankly, is correct much more often than it isn't.

However, in this case, no additional evidence is needed because the history tells you that the term was in use long before "EDM" the genre came into existence.

What, do you also think that the google trends data is made up?

[Numanoid]

Wikipedia got a fine article on EDaM cheese

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edam_cheese

[ghettosynth]

So here you go, direct evidence of use on mailing lists in 2000, long before anyone thought of using EDM as a genre name and using it in the context as I describe.

From pb-cle-raves-return-19837-pb-cle-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Sep 17 11:42:12 2000
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Subject: {pb-cle} Owning a record store(owners please read)

This is mainly towards those of you that own your own record store. I have
recently been thinking about starting a record store buisness dedicated to
EDM. Main quiestion is, do you make money? How hard is it to prosper in
this business? I have given this some serious thought. Doug at Grand Poo
Ba's and Mike of Fame, is it hard? I dont know how many of you out there own
a record store but I need input. Thanks

From: "Doc" <grandpa@zoominternet.net>
To: "[Pb-Cle-Raves]" <pb-cle-raves@hyperreal.org>
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2000 3:46 PM
Subject: Re: {pb-cle} happy hardcore


> {{ StarSparkleXTC@aol.com <StarSparkleXTC@aol.com> }
> for those of you with strong feelings about happy hardcore, i am just
> curious what about it makes you love/hate it so much? also, what are some
> favorite tracks? }}
>
> I'm really not a fan of HHC - it's my least favorite EDM genre. The music
> just isn't all that danceable, and I never really see anyone dancing to
it,
> just bouncing around. Boing boing boing - that's how they go...
>
> I like slow beats, something you can actually keep up with in step. I like
> stuff that if you want to just sit down and listen, you can actually do
that
> too, and there's something to listen to, some texture.
>
> ~:: Doc
>

I used this because the pb-cle archives are still online. However, this was common across other underground discussion contexts, many of them long gone. At one point I found references as early as 94 or 95, but I'm not going to go look for them again.

Basically, if you didn't know this, you simply weren't there. So stop fronting like you were.

[chk071]

So. Giorgio Moroder was EDM too. Or Kraftwerk. Interesting.

Kraftwerk have never been interesting.

I agree. I never quite got the hype around them. But, the fact that by definition they're EDM is interesting. I do get ghettosynth's argumentation though, when i was younger, everything with a 4 to the floor beat was labelled "Techno". Same thing with EDM i guess.

[Numanoid]

So here you go, direct evidence of use on mailing lists in 2000, long before anyone thought of using EDM as a genre name and using it in the context as I describe.

OK, so no pre-2000 artist is to be labeled EDM then, glad we agree about that.