Psytrance parties and girls

[chk071]

Yeah, it is. Especially when you just throw around some random 2 sentences, you found in some dark corner of the internet.

[ghettosynth]

Yeah, it is. Especially when you just throw around some random 2 sentences, you found in some dark corner of the internet.

I told you where to find it yourself. If you're too lazy to look, and you weren't there, you might start by just admitting that you're pulling your information out of your ass.

Seriously, I've provided you with pages of evidence and told you where it all came from.

Here, read the entire archives if you want.

http://sfraves.org/archives/sfrlist/

Seriously, do you even understand what that is? Were you actually a part of the underground dance scene in the 90s? Somehow I doubt it, or you'd know better.

[chk071]

I think Sir is just into discussing, and being right, as usual.

[ghettosynth]

I think Sir is just into discussing, and being right, as usual.

Well I am right, right? You weren't there, were you?

How many posts will it take before you admit that it's not something that you had direct experience with? I see Numanoid ducked out without admitting that he didn't know what he was talking about.

You do realize that those mailing lists were the online nexus for thousands of parties all across the U.S. in the 90s? You can call it some dusty corner of the internet, but, in the 90s the entire internet was a dusty little corner.

[Terrafractyl]

lololol @ This thread!

Arguing about Genre's is like the most pointless thing to do in the world. lets have at it!

In my opinion all inclusive genre names, like EDM, IDM, Electronic Dance Music, (and yes Techno back in the day) are all quite stupid and should be avoided like the plague.

On the other hand as soon as people start describing music with more than 2-3 genre names, then it also starts getting quite ridiculous.

I too was was around in the late 90's listening to Goa trance at parties and on the interwebs...and although I may have heard someone use the term 'Electronic Dance music' to describe it back then, perhaps maybe once. Certainly never at a party.
People that were into Goa trance back then, actually called it that. What a surprise! Well they did here in Oz anyways.
maybe I just wasn't hangin out on the right boards.
I think just cause some person mentioned a name (or even in this case a series of descriptive words) on a forum doesn't make it a 'Genre'.

Back to the OP. I think the amount of Girls at a psytrance party is often down to the music played.
Here in Australia at least, I find the parties focused on darker / faster music definitely feel very Male dominated.
Whereas a lot of the bigger festivals that book a lot of fluffy stuff (that I don't call psy btw) like spintwist recs/Neelix et al tend to have a lot larger percentage of Girls in the crowd.

I can actually relate (although not to Spintwist argh), personally I find so much Psy, and most kinds of electronic dance music(used here to cover all genres hehe) so overtly masculine.
Not that I have a problem with that, It just gets boring.

[chk071]

Well I am right, right?

Actually, no. And apart from some confused and desperate quotes from god knows where, you haven't really made any own point. We all know where this ends though, don't we? You take the last word, think you completely humiliated me, or anyone else with your silly points, and feel like the "old man". It's actually some kind of power play, and violent in some way. I'm sure someone with the appropriate psychological knowledge could name and help the cause. But, you seem to be so full of yourself that you even enjoy the sick shit you're doing here. Maybe you should become a lawyer or something. I'm sure you'd do great, as those are full of shit too. "Buddy".

[ghettosynth]

I think just cause some person mentioned a name (or even in this case a series of descriptive words) on a forum doesn't make it a 'Genre'.

First, it's not a genre, so really, you're missing the point of the discussion. Second, you must not have been that connected because it was all over everything back then. I've demonstrated three separate sources from disparate locations across the country. If you have access to usenet archives you should be able to find more.

I only posted a few messages. There are HUNDREDS of messages with the phrase an acronym being used. Go look for yourself.

It was as common as "rock and roll" and used in exactly the same way.

Yes, of course we talked about individual genres, that's also all over the mailing lists, but if you were having a conversation where you needed to generalize you would use the term "electronic dance music" which later was more commonly called EDM.

[ghettosynth]

Well I am right, right?

Actually, no.

That was a rhetorical question.

And apart from some confused and desperate quotes from god knows where, you haven't really made any own point.

Not one that you understand, because your ego prevents you from admitting that you're wrong.

That's not how debate works. You don't get to dismiss my evidence without some actual evidence of your own that justifies your claims.

Again, you weren't there were you? Were you still in diapers?

Those mailing lists were the online nexus of the rave scene in the U.S. in the 90s. It's clearly not something that you were a part of. I'm not sure exactly what kind of evidence would convince you. Were you even on the internet in the 90s? What kind of evidence would get you to admit that you're just butthurt over being wrong...again.

[Terrafractyl]

You do realize that those mailing lists were the online nexus for thousands of parties all across the U.S. in the 90s? You can call it some dusty corner of the internet, but, in the 90s the entire internet was a dusty little corner.

You do realize we are talking about Psy and Goa trance here dude. A genre in which I'm afraid the US has never been particularly relevant. Someone called it Electronic Dance music on a board called SF RAVES!
oh that must make it right! and no I can't be bother checking up on your 'research' because I was actually there! (not even going to touch your 'you must have been not so well connected' comment lol)

When I toured the US in 2011 and 2012 (as a psytrance artist btw) I was amazed at how psy parties still were stuck in the 90's in comparison to the rest of the world. No other place I have been have I heard anyone refer to a psy party as a 'rave'. In 2012!? I heard it all over the place in the US. and I can tell you parties there definitely still felt like a Rave. Took me back a decade or 3!

actually now that I think about it, I feel like Electronic Dance Music is actually very American term. No where else have I noticed this word getting so much use. Maybe the problem here is a cultural one.

[chk071]

Well I am right, right?

Actually, no.

That was a rhetorical question.

And apart from some confused and desperate quotes from god knows where, you haven't really made any own point.

Not one that you understand, because your ego prevents you from admitting that you're wrong.

That's not how debate works. You don't get to dismiss my evidence without some actual evidence of your own that justifies your claims.

Again, you weren't there were you? Were you still in diapers?

Those mailing lists were the online nexus of the rave scene in the U.S. in the 90s. It's clearly not something that you were a part of. I'm not sure exactly what kind of evidence would convince you. Were you even on the internet in the 90s? What kind of evidence would get you to admit that you're just butthurt over being wrong...again.

We all know where this ends though, don't we? You take the last word, think you completely humiliated me, or anyone else with your silly points, and feel like the "old man".

You're not nearly as smart as you think you are BTW. Especially emotionally, you lack a lot. As you seem to be one of those persons which just don't get it, because their ego is bigger than Mount Everest, i guess someone has to tell you. You're wrong BTW. Yes, WRONG. And you haven't made 1, speak, one own point. But, you may try again, next time. Now take the last word, please. I know you're so craving after it.

[ghettosynth]

You do realize that those mailing lists were the online nexus for thousands of parties all across the U.S. in the 90s? You can call it some dusty corner of the internet, but, in the 90s the entire internet was a dusty little corner.

You do realize we are talking about Psy and Goa trance here dude.

That has absolutely nothing to do with the point that I've been making. I simply made a comment about the evolution of the term EDM.

I feel like Electronic Dance Music is actually very American term. No where else have I noticed this word getting so much use. Maybe the problem here is a cultural one.

That's certainly possible, however, so is the phrase EDM as referring to a genre, so, in that sense, Europe isn't really relevant to the discussion.

To be clear though, I'm not entirely convinced of this. I just don't have evidence to the contrary. And let's be clear here, I'm the only person so far who's provided ACTUAL evidence, citing your own experiences is not evidence.

There is no argument that when people call EDM a genre, they mean it as an acronym for Electronic Dance Music. I have provide a mountain of evidence that the phrase Electronic Dance Music, and later EDM, were originally used in the U.S. as an all encompassing term.

Seriously, this was common knowledge at the time.

Thus, there can really be no argument that EDM, as a genre, isn't a maladaptation of the original meaning.

[ghettosynth]

From Usenet in 1998, translated from German.

Hey,
I would be interested if a few people here interested in
German-speaking Techno newsgroup would (but the newsgroup should not
just treat Techno alone, but also all other styles of
"Electronic Dance Music").
I have ever asked if it were possible, such a newsgroup
set up, namely: "de.alt.music.techno". Unfortunately, there is already a
"De.rec.music.elektronisch" German newsgroup that in its charter
want to treat "techno and trance," but there is actually
mainly to make the music itself.
I will show the administrators that people there with an interest in
Set up a newsgroup "de.alt.music.techno" is to prevent it from
in general such a newsgroup worth set.
If you are interested, please email me directly: safa...@iname.com
I can not promise that the administrators then their opinion
change, but there is at least a chance.

bye
alexander rehmer

-
"I grew up thinking did techno music is Actually something did you can't
imagine. That is techno at its best. If you hear something did you'd never
expected to hear - that's techno. If you hear something that kind of sounds
like you've heard it before, then it's not techno. "(JM)

[ghettosynth]

You're not nearly as smart as you think you are BTW.

LOL!

I don't believe that I claimed to be smart, just right. Seems that you're fixated on intelligence here.

[ghettosynth]

From 1996: Note the use of ebm and as well that the phrase "electronic/dance music" was the compassing term.

Party info/electronic Music techno/house/trance/ebm/ambient/industrial/etc in SYDNEY ..(SPRACI)

6/6/96



Sydney Party Rave And Club Info WEB PAGES
------------------------------------------
http://www.spraci.aust.net/

or http://203.22.100.35/
or http://ion.apana.org.au/~mdagn/sydney.html

* lots of stuff related to electronic/dance music *
Techno/Trance/House/Rave/Ambient/TripHop/Industrial/Acid/EBM/etc

What's On party listings for Sydney,
DJ pages,
Worldwide list of links to record labels,
Worldwide list of links to artists,
Australian Record Labels,
Australian Artists,
Record reviews, Party reviews,
+ lots more...
+ lots and lots and lots of links worldwide...

The SPRACI pages... http://www.spraci.aust.net/

The SPRACI pages should work with ANY browser

From 1997, it seems like there wasn't much difference from the U.S.

In Australia the mainstream commercial music munchers call any dance
music with analog bass synths and sequenced drums "Tecno". In Australia
"Commercial Rave Music" can be any electronic dance music that is played
at an actual rave party. It could be deep trance, trip hop, hardcore or
Jungle as long as it creats the right vibe. Dance music is constantly
re-inventing itself ( House Music is a great example ), so as the music
continues to change and evolve, the twang loving musical dinosaurs will
continue to say " Not more of that techno shit ! " and they will cement
their place forever as retro icons of decades gone by. Zoet...@msn.com

[Frantz]

Did someone say parties and girls?

Oh wait, it's just another thread with ghettosynth arguing with everyone.