No difference between 300$ and 2000$ speakers.

[highkoo]

Maybe they just suck cuz they are in that room.
Do you have a graph for the cheap pair?

[Terrafractyl]

Haha When you start looking at the freq response of Speaker in your average Room (esp a non treated one)
Prepare to be shocked!

People just have no idea how important the room is... often it is much more of an issue in certain rooms than the speakers.
I really think there is almost no point in spending more than 1k on speakers unless your willing to do SOME thinking about speaker placement / treatment.

[BertKoor]

Have you seen the curve ?

Yes, but I don't listen with my eyes

[poonna]

Room is a major factor affecting the frequency response. Especially in a small room, there will be HUGE dips and peaks in the lower frequency region. You can try doing a slow frequency sweep in the 20-250 Hz range. Turn off Sonarworks Reference 3 first before doing it. You'll notice your room responding fiercely to frequencies that correspond to your room modes.

Also, check out this handy room mode calculator. You can hover the mouse on a specific frequency in the plot and hear huge discrepancy in the responses of your room (don't forget to turn off Sonarworks before experimenting).

http://amroc.andymel.eu

Sonarworks Reference 3 does really help tame the uneven frequency response, but it cannot get rid of reverberation and certain kinds of cancellation. I would try to fix the room with acoustic panels and bass traps first. Your expensive monitors will shine in a treated room.

[wickfut]

See that :

This is the frequency response of my "2000 dollars" (+ sub) speakers into my room.


What is flat here ? What looks like 2000 dollars in that curve ?

Nothing. By just viewing the curve, I would say it is cheap 150 dollars monitors.
But you get this "analog class A amplifier + new technology of speakers shaping".

That's why I think this is 100% useless to get this kind of monitors in an untreated room.

so you measure your room with the sub turned on then moan about a huge bass hump where the sub is?

ok. Turn the sub off. Push the speakers right back to the wall and measure the room from your listening position - 1 speaker at a time!
Do this mulitple times, moving the speaker away from the front wall each time, until you get the flattest response curve. If your speakers have half-space or quarter space-bass roll off settings then set them up correctly also.

Once you're happy with the bass balance then alter the angle which the speakers point inwards towards you to adjust the top end and stereo imaging. Directly towards you makes the sound brighter, while straight ahead will roll off the top extremes. You are aiming to get a pin sharp phantom centre sound which floats in mid air between the speakers when you play a mono signal. Closing your eyes will make this easier.

Once you are happy with both speakers set up correctly for the flattest response, then turn your sub on and set it so you can just about hear it. Measure the room and then lower the sub a touch - measure the room again - lower the sub etc until the subs output is the same as the main speakers.

If you get a huge dip in the bass, like you show in your picture, then it could be down to the phase of the sub messing with the bass from your speakers so reverse the phase of the sub or move the subs location and see if it improves.

have fun.

[sfxsound3]

The difference is 1700$.

Find some pros to treat your room and place your speakers (coz you obviously won't be able to do it yourself). Pay them. Then draw the bottom line:
- You would have been better off with a cheaper hobby and spending the cash on whores and drugs. Life's lessons and all that.

[annode]

Yes, the freq response plot is useless. With the matched microphone, take the monitors outside to an open space and sample a new plot.

You noticed a greater stereo separation(wider field) because each monitor has increased 'detail' compared to the Rokits. You are hearing different details of sounds. Now you hear the different sounds between each speaker more clearly. This creates a more defined stereo effect.

You should use a translator program. 'ImTranslator' is a good one and is free and works within Windows explorer and your browser.

Maybe your not really knowledgeable about sound quality yet. This needs to be learned to some degree,

[slipstick]

So basically you're saying you can hear plenty of differences between the two pairs of speakers you just can't see it on a frequency plot.

Congratulations, you've just proved to yourself what I imagine everyone here would cheerfully have told you. You don't buy speakers just by looking at frequency graphs. You listen to them. And it might be worth getting your hearing tested first because we don't all have the same hearing either.

And then there's the room. The manufacturer will have tested the speakers in a well treated room. It's not their fault if you're using them somewhere where they can't possibly give their best.

Steve

[BertKoor]

The manufacturer will have tested the speakers in a well treated room.

Not quite... The published freq response should be measured in an anechoic chamber, because that's the industry standard. You won't find many rooms outside laboratories that resemble na anechoic chamber, but then you won't find it pleasant working on your music in such a room.

[slipstick]

The manufacturer will have tested the speakers in a well treated room.

Not quite... The published freq response should be measured in an anechoic chamber, because that's the industry standard.

That's correct for the measurements AND the speakers will have been tested in well treated rooms because the manufacturers know that frequency and power bandwidth graphs aren't everything. But they probably won't have been tested at all in tile-lined public toilets or bare concrete sheds or the OP's almost untreated room.

Steve

[NotreDame]

Egg100 are shitty : no high frequencies...

[chk071]

Or is it maybe because they're a bit more neutral, than your Rokit's? I upgraded from some M-Audio BX5a's to the JBL LSR 305's, and, one of the first things i noticed is that the JBL's are not as harsh in the high frequencies as the M-Audio's were. Sounds more "natural", not as exaggerated. Maybe that's also the case with your speakers.

[Gamma-UT]

Or is it maybe because they're a bit more neutral, than your Rokit's?

That sounds reasonable. I've always found Rockits to be the Bose of monitors – hypey, smiley-face EQ. And unpleasant after long periods of use.

[NotreDame]

Maybe, but the graph say that I have -6 db in the high frequencies.
That's a problem for monitors in this price area...

[Gamma-UT]

Somehow, I get the impression that no matter how often people tell you about the difference between speaker response and room response, that information is never going to penetrate.