No difference between 300$ and 2000$ speakers.

[BertKoor]

but the graph say that I have -6 db in the high frequencies.

That depends on how you read the graph...

Firstly, I'd say the highs are at -3dB, not -6. Maybe there are points at which it is -6, but that's not the average level.

Secondly you could also say the highs are flat but mids & lows are too loud. It depends on where you put the "zero" line

Thirdly: someone suggested to measure them again outside, with less room influence. Do that, then judge again...

[slipstick]

Indeed. Take them outside, lay them on their backs, preferably on grass or something else relatively soft and you'll have what is called half space measurement which is another industry standard often used when it's difficult/expensive to get access to a decent sized anechoic chamber. It is much better at showing the frequency response of the speakers rather what you're currently measuring which is mainly the response of your room.

Not that it much matters. If you've decided by looking at a graph that they can't sound good then you're never going to be happy with them. You might want to try some hi-fi speakers rather than proper monitors...there are plenty of people in that field who buy speakers based on measurements so the manufacturers have years of experience making the graphs for their speakers look good (though your room will probably still mess them up).

Steve

[NotreDame]

I'm just asking the question seriously...


Let's take two pair of speakers in the same untreated room.
This is an experience I've done, it is not just theory.


On one hand : Rokit 6-G3 (400 dollars)
On the other hand : Munro Sonic Egg100 (2000 dollars)


Then let process Sonarworks Reference 3.


The result ? We get a very very clean and flat sound.

Both monitors have a very similar sound now.

The only difference is that the high end monitors have better transients and stereo field, and are more "in your face", but except that, both speakers have now a very similar frequency response.


So, is it a revolution ?!

Some people argues that Sonarworks "just" correct frequency response, but not reverberation and "phase cancellation".

Yeah, Sonarworks does not do all, it does not give you the sound of a +100 000 dollars studio.

But are we all engineers ??

With all the love I have for this profession, I will never be one of them, I am just an ambitious producer, I want to get a clean sound, I want to make my work translating well with other systems and also get this "professional" sound.


It is enough, no ?

And so, I think that, by letting people being able to get very clean mixes within a poor acoustic room, this software is a revolution for most of us.

Don't you think it ?

[annode]

Why did you buy them?
There is a plot right in the product tech notes. Yes, it clearly drops off 5db at about 16-17khz and keeps going. Possibly a technical design trade-off to get a smooth mid to high response.

(the 1st dotted line after 10,000hz is 20,000hz)
I doubt when you say "Egg100 are shitty : no high frequencies..." you are noticing the absence of sound detail 16khz and above. We don't hear much up there and music doesn't need that space. So it's more likely what your not hearing is the exaggerated peaks from other monitors/speakers.

If this plot is representative of the response of these monitors, then you need to let your ears adjust to them. This can take a few weeks, but it will happen. Your brain is confused, it needs some time to readjust.

Keep the monitors positioned close to your ears.(near field) The room will have little influence on most of the spectrum.

[NotreDame]

Thanks for your message.

You should take this curve instead :

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[annode]

Thanks for your message.

You should take this curve instead :

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That plot is taken 30 degrees of phase angle. Don't get yourself confused with all that. You have an excellent monitor. Re read my previous reply above, I made some additions.

[poonna]

I was the one who said that Sonarworks does not help with reverberation and cancellation, but I am also a Sonarworks user -- using it for speakers and headphones (also the system-wide version for casual listening).

It's really a great tool, which really help tame excessive low-bass peaks in my room. My room is quite well-treated, but being a very small room, bass problems are still really prominent. Sonarworks is indispensable for me.

That said, I still think you should at least get a minimal acoustic treatment to reduce room reverberation at the listening position. It will make the audio much clearer. Adding a reverb in your mix can also be difficult to hear and judge properly if the room reverb tail is longer than the reverb you're adding.

But I agree that it's a great tool for us people who don't have all the budgets to invest in a proper studio room.

[wickfut]

Thanks for your message.

You should take this curve instead :

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did you make any attempt at setting the speakers up correctly or are you just here to shitpost about how you don't like some new mini monitors vs the old ones?

edit: you got me curious to what my room sounds like vs the manufacturers blurb.. 5 mins later with EQWizard:-

[shroom81]

doah...

[highkoo]

By only looking at the frequency response of the new pair, all this thread is really saying is "Look how a horrible room will distort good speakers.", right?

The real tell should obviously be only in the comparison of the two pairs to each, within the horrible context, context aside.
i.e. Does one fair better under poor conditions than the other?

[NotreDame]

My KRK were even flatter in the curves.
They didn't have This lack of high.

[wickfut]

My KRK were even flatter in the curves.
They didn't have This lack of high.

you're not getting it are you. Your speakers don't lack treble, your speakers are incorrectly placed with a huge bass hump making the response tilt towards the low end.

jesus wept

[Pule]

See that :

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This is the frequency response of my "2000 dollars" (+ sub) speakers into my room.


What is flat here ? What looks like 2000 dollars in that curve ?

Nothing. By just viewing the curve, I would say it is cheap 150 dollars monitors.
But you get this "analog class A amplifier + new technology of speakers shaping".

That's why I think this is 100% useless to get this kind of monitors in an untreated room.

not bad! btw flat line isn't target curve for studio monitorining. Target curve is similar to b&k curve or your measured curve in room. cca +3db bass and -3 db treble!

[bluerover]

Your room is holding you back. Probably your DA converters too. Listen to some reference speakers - properly positioned and placed - in a room treated for mastering. This is when you really hear and understand the benefits of investing in better gear. You've hit "the wall", and the only way around it is to find those reflections, nodes/antinodes, and standing waves particular to the room that you have no choice but to mix in. Monitor placement, height, distance from walls etc. need to be dealt with as well. Take a field trip to a "PRO" mastering studio with a CD of your final mixes.

[Big Busker]

I've recorded and mixed on everything from headphones, to old 1960s bookshelf speakers (Advent 3, Acoustic Research AR-4x) to UREI 813's (which are basically Altec 604 "big reds" with a better crossover), to Klipsch computer monitors with a sub. There can be a profound difference, if the less expensive brand is only concentrating on sales and not quality.

I used to sell mid-line audio equipment in the 1980s. The second generation of Infinity brand bookshelf speakers (before Harman took over) were surprisingly good, and a few studios took advantage of the savings over pro audio monitors.

Good monitor speakers don't add or subtract anything; they don't have a distinctive "character". They can be tuned to the room with EQ and monitor control hardware, for the best response. Those speakers with a reputation for distinctiveness are mostly utilized to simulate a home listening environment, like the Yamaha NS-10m. I don't find those aesthetically pleasing, from a sonic sense. Listening to them for hours on end can be tiring.

Yes, I'll repeat bluerover's advice above: Acoustic treatment of your room is a worthwhile investment. That alone will reveal if or where your monitors come up short. Even the most expensive system will sound awful if sonic issues in the room haven't been addressed.