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AnX · Post by **AnX** » Sat Jul 08, 2017 10:03 am

A lot of the psy/goa/acid stuff coming out in the 90's was on european (a lot of german) labels. Isreal had a big scene too.

ghettosynth · Post by **ghettosynth** » Sat Jul 08, 2017 10:10 am

AnX wrote:A lot of the psy/goa/acid stuff coming out in the 90's was on european (a lot of german) labels. Isreal had a big scene too.

Yeah, sorry, if this was in response to my question, I'm, not debating that. I have a bunch of acid trance from that time. My question about why it has caught on in Europe was more related to differences in cultural aspects.

It's always struck me as a bit of a weird insular scene here, is that different in Europe?

AnX · Post by **AnX** » Sat Jul 08, 2017 10:34 am

As i saw it, the illegal rave scene* (stuff in fields) embraced the faster trancey stuff around that time, and it was getting a fair amount of radio play too (certain times on main stations)

I guess ppl just liked it.

*acid techno

AnX · Post by **AnX** » Sat Jul 08, 2017 10:37 am

Also, it sounded good after a few dabs on mdma

Distorted Horizon · Post by **Distorted Horizon** » Sat Jul 08, 2017 11:49 am

DJ Warmonger wrote:Actually, one girl recently really enjoyed my psytrance tune and then I figured out she is weird Talking about other states of consciousness, meditaion and WTF...

I'm married with a "weird" woman then

Boone777 · Post by **Boone777** » Sat Jul 08, 2017 1:16 pm

ghettosynth wrote:Really, I find it hilarious how much trouble KVR has accepting facts given a mountain of evidence. EDM as a genre came into common use around 2012 or so, google trends tell you that. What is also true is that the umbrella term "electronic dance music" goes all the way back to 1993 in the SF raves mailing list which suggests that the use of the acronym is probably post IDM, so in the mid to late 90s.

They're online, look for yourself.

It's not just KVR. The ego loves to be right. People have hard time accepting that they might be wrong. Accepting change. The concept of being wrong or right is a mental construct. For one to be right the other must be wrong. You get a ego boost by being right...it needs to feed !

ghettosynth · Post by **ghettosynth** » Sat Jul 08, 2017 8:17 pm

With respect to EDM as an acronym being passe or useless, it's simply not possible as it's an acronym and will always be that, definitionally. What we have, temporarily, is confusion fueled by the isolated ignorant. The burgeoning electronic festival scene in the U.S. rapidly adopted the term for what they were hearing based on ignorance of the past. Ok, this happens, I'm not just being grumpy about it for its own sake. However, despite wishes to the contrary, that will be a temporary idea in the public conscious, think grunge. When it passes, what actually matters will remain and there are very valid reasons to use it as an acronym.

For example, the phrase appears hundreds, if not thousands of times in Mark Butler's "Unlocking the Groove." Where he uses it for clarity and to avoid spelling out the full phrase "Electronic Dance Music." That work, which is based on his PhD. thesis, will far outlive "EDM" as a genre, and, moreover, the acronym itself will continue to be used in similar informational contexts for the same reasons.

So, those of us who have always understood it as an acronym for a useful umbrella term will continue to do so because it has value. Any other understanding will eventually be perceived to be as funny and passe as many short lived dated descriptions of trendy phenomenon do to us now, e.g., using turbo to describe anything that's fast. It's still used today, however generally only with respect to a particular kind of aspiration system for internal combustion engines.

Jace-BeOS · Post by **Jace-BeOS** » Sun Jul 09, 2017 2:00 am

Boone777 wrote:
ghettosynth wrote:Really, I find it hilarious how much trouble KVR has accepting facts given a mountain of evidence. EDM as a genre came into common use around 2012 or so, google trends tell you that. What is also true is that the umbrella term "electronic dance music" goes all the way back to 1993 in the SF raves mailing list which suggests that the use of the acronym is probably post IDM, so in the mid to late 90s.

They're online, look for yourself.

It's not just KVR. The ego loves to be right. People have hard time accepting that they might be wrong. Accepting change. The concept of being wrong or right is a mental construct. For one to be right the other must be wrong. You get a ego boost by being right...it needs to feed !

Yup.

http://www.alternet.org/media/most-depr ... brain-ever

Jace-BeOS · Post by **Jace-BeOS** » Sun Jul 09, 2017 2:04 am

Distorted Horizon wrote:
Jace-BeOS wrote:Seeing you reference punk as masculine is interesting. My first girlfriend (of months of relationship time) used to drag me around to local punk shows. Her friend circle was a bunch of verbally abusive jerks (focused around one guy) prior to me.
What I meant is a bit different.. Although I've seen those too that you mentioned but those punk "parties" I've been in, there's room filled with bold bodybuilders, jumping around and beating each others because... I don't even know.

It was just brutal

Mosh pits? i thought they existed in pretty much most "heavy" music scenes. i hate them and what they stand for. i like when venues ban that crap. i've seen people come out with bloody faces. If people want to be physical, i don't see why they have to become brutal thugs. What's fun about that? Dance, crowd surf, cluster-cuddle, whatever. But throwing bodies (and fists) with intent to cause pain and inflict damage? WTF?

ghettosynth · Post by **ghettosynth** » Sun Jul 09, 2017 4:17 am

Jace-BeOS wrote:
Distorted Horizon wrote:
Jace-BeOS wrote:Seeing you reference punk as masculine is interesting. My first girlfriend (of months of relationship time) used to drag me around to local punk shows. Her friend circle was a bunch of verbally abusive jerks (focused around one guy) prior to me.
What I meant is a bit different.. Although I've seen those too that you mentioned but those punk "parties" I've been in, there's room filled with bold bodybuilders, jumping around and beating each others because... I don't even know.

It was just brutal
Mosh pits? i thought they existed in pretty much most "heavy" music scenes. i hate them and what they stand for. i like when venues ban that crap. i've seen people come out with bloody faces. If people want to be physical, i don't see why they have to become brutal thugs. What's fun about that? Dance, crowd surf, cluster-cuddle, whatever. But throwing bodies (and fists) with intent to cause pain and inflict damage? WTF?

Pretty much, I've never thought much of them either. I love this quote from the Wiki page, emphasis mine:

I just want to say one thing to you, you young, college lughead-types. I've been watchin' people like you sluggin' around other people for seven years. And you know what? It's the same shit. I wish you'd understand that in an environment like this, and in a setting like this, it's fairly inappropriate and unfair to the rest of the people around you. I, and we, publicly take a stand against moshing!

I can't say that "I" have ever seen this at any EDM (that's an acronym) show, but they have become fairly common with modern hardstyle and other heavy EDM styles, including some forms of trap, at festivals.

Distorted Horizon · Post by **Distorted Horizon** » Sun Jul 09, 2017 5:07 am

Jace-BeOS wrote:[Mosh pits? i thought they existed in pretty much most "heavy" music scenes.

Really? At least in Finland those heavier music scenes are the most calm happenings ever. Normal festival here has rapes, drugs, beatings.. etc etc. But heavymetal festival Tuska, if I remember right, didn't cause a single police operation

Jace-BeOS wrote:But throwing bodies (and fists) with intent to cause pain and inflict damage? WTF?

My thoughts exactly. When I was 18 it was exciting but guess I've become old

Psytrance parties and girls