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drumist · Post by **drumist** » Sat Jul 08, 2017 1:16 am

If there are any drums you consider being heavy, having a metallic sound and being somewhat unique, I would be very grateful if you let me know!

kbaccki · Post by **kbaccki** » Sat Jul 08, 2017 3:02 am

"Heavy" and "metallic" in what sense? They have big boomy sound with lots of metallic overtones?

There are steel drums, of course..

Companies like soundiron might have the sort of thing you're looking for... https://soundiron.com/collections/metal ... particularly the Rust series... trash cans, empty dumpsters, steel tunnels, that sort of thing...

morelia · Post by **morelia** » Sat Jul 08, 2017 5:53 am

In all honesty I'm not sure what you are asking. But if I make some assumptions I have this to say.

I've bought just about every drum library there is in my search for great hard rock drums. While I've gotten close with several (Joe Barresi Evil Drums for BFD, Steven Slate Drums) some I have less success with (Addictive Drums, Superior Drummer) and almost zeroa hard rock joy from others (EZDrummer 2). I have quite a few additional sample packs that should do the job but don't satisfy me. I have some others that are pretty damn good but have not really found what I am after there either (Platinum Samples Gretsch Rock Legends Kit, Drum Drops Mapex Heavy Rock Kit, Chocolate Audio The Black Album). Anyway, enough blah blah blah. Joe Barresi Evil Drums for BFD is my favourite and most successful Hard Rock sound. But ultimately, after searching for the ultimate drum solution I've come to realise I can't mix for shit and the problem lies not with any of the gear I have but with me.

pljones · Post by **pljones** » Sat Jul 08, 2017 7:24 am

"Hard rock" covers an incredibly wide range of sounds -- it's not really about what the drums sound like at all (and almost not about how they're played). You've got things like the NI Abbey Road 60s, 70s and 80s Drummer and Studio Drummer collections you've not mentioned; these have some kits I use quite often when I want various hard rock / heavy metal sounds, which one depending on the ambience I'm after. They all sound different - and the presets give you even more range. I'd suggest ns_kit7 but, AFAIK, it's no longer available: another different sound. All of these require different approaches when playing and the mixing stage needs care, too, to ensure the sounds fix with the rest of the piece. You're right to keep looking for the sound you want, though -- but don't look for it to be a perfect match.

jancivil · Post by **jancivil** » Sat Jul 08, 2017 5:44 pm

Yeah, Joe Barresi from Platinum, primarily for BFD, is some pretty big-sounding drums... I don't know from metal really, but it seems like the really extreme sounds I have heard have something to do with the production, just very compressed with big make-up gain for instance. But I think you want more than a lot of things will give. Joe Barresi for BFD Eco has some already produced drums, very big out of the box.

Joe Barresi is also very detailed and rich, fantastic hihats and snares etc.

kbaccki · Post by **kbaccki** » Sat Jul 08, 2017 7:01 pm

Oh drums for metal... that's different, but not sure that's what's being asked for... along those lines Shreddage Drums from Impact Soundworks (on sale $69, runs in free kontakt player), Stigmatized Drummer from Stigmatized Productions (50EUR requires full kontakt).

https://impactsoundworks.com/product/shreddage-drums/
http://www.stigmatized-productions.com/ ... ed-drummer

kinwie · Post by **kinwie** » Sat Jul 08, 2017 7:30 pm

Analogue Drums BlackSmith is quite nice and cheap and it has the "metallic" tone
I too, was also reassured by PLJones' post befre getting AD's stuff and the overall soundwise, they all have a well-half cooked drums sound.
You can go to their website to check the demo sounds.
Or mine, using BlackSmith in an old metal cover tune here
(pure dry and only Close and OH mics) :

drumist · Post by **drumist** » Sun Jul 09, 2017 8:55 pm

Ah, I didn't want to bore the readers, so sorry to everyone for not explaining in detail! I was thinking about heavy hitting old school drums, something like this, but actually even more hip-hop:

I know the topic is sort of misleading, but I couldn't really find the words for what's heard, since unfortunately I can't attach music files and otherwise can't find such drums on the internet.
But let's start from this break. And let's say it can sound a bit more technical, airy, phat and dirty... I hope you get what I mean.
Thanks for the suggestions!

jancivil · Post by **jancivil** » Sun Jul 09, 2017 10:25 pm

ok, that's not actually ridiculous.
out of what I have, Joe Baresi could capture that no problem

things like 'airy' are really a matter of production skill... I really like to get some air out of cymbals, I admire recordings which give you that. now, like the bigness factor I spoke to earlier, you aren't going to get a lot of joy except for a good source, which Evil Joe is. The snare and kick there are pretty compressed/makeup gain. The Evil Joes have been sampled with that guy's production and sound, which is bigger out of the box than some things, definitely. and the one cut-down 'Eco' product is produced more, ie., compressed.

kbaccki · Post by **kbaccki** » Mon Jul 10, 2017 1:25 am

Def go for something with a 26" bass to get a big boomy low end... or minimum 24", IMO...

For big phat drums like that def check out aforementioned Analogue Drums... https://www.analoguedrums.com ... Kontakt (full only!) and EXS mappings... They have some good options for that big boomy sound... plus they're dirt cheap, which is always nice.

For a big open, boomy sound look for a Ludwig Vistalite kit... https://www.analoguedrums.com/products/plastique

I used to have a black vistalite kit when I was a kid (12", 14", 15", 16" mounted concert toms! ... 18" floor tom!

)... and those drums had some... er... projection. They are made out of acrylic, so the sound bounced around in the shell quite a bit compared to a drum made out of wood... also you could do some cool things with lighting, if that's your thing. Bonham played a set w/ 26" kick (I believe), and you'll find some others in the 70's in particular using vistalites...

Here you go...

https://vimeo.com/164412678

kbaccki · Post by **kbaccki** » Mon Jul 10, 2017 1:27 am

Oh and for a dirty sound you can add some tube overdrive and/or tape saturation, some compression to really push the meters, and a little extra dirt with a vinyl plug or similar...

kinwie · Post by **kinwie** » Mon Jul 10, 2017 8:15 am

Ouchh, I think the OP asking for a hip-hop drums

Aloysius · Post by **Aloysius** » Mon Jul 10, 2017 8:35 am

Sound like a '60s drum Loop. It ain't Hard Rock or Metal.

NI Abbey Road 60s Drums etc.

Heavy sounding drums