No difference between 300$ and 2000$ speakers.

[whyterabbyt]

To recap:

You buy a pair of "$2000" speakers 5 months ago to replace some cheap monitors. You get hold of some dodgy room measuring kit and now you've measured your room you've decided you don't like the little graph the computer plots on your screen. You make 4 threads regarding how shit you think these "$2000" speakers are and also attempt and sell them in the classifieds.
You now believe the speakers are faulty, but when you've contacted the manufacturer they informed you that they're going through liquidation and no longer in business, so instead of calling it a day and moving on to some other brand of loudspeakers you decide in your infinite wisdom to buy another pair of the same speakers you don't like, just incase!? - do I have this right?

Im sure you're trying to make some sort of point, but I cant quite get what it is...


Honest.

[stardustmedia]

That curve is measured in your untreated room? So what you measure mostly is your room, not the loudspeakers. Not much of a surprise to me that both curves look very similar.

No speakers have such peaks, maybe some really really crappy ones. Finally there is no flat frequency response in any loudspeaker, never. And usually that doesn't matter that much anyway, because in an untreated room, you'll always have room nodes boosting or cutting certain frequencies. The different frequency curves of the different brands and models are mostly matter of taste. Above a certain quality level it's subjective which loudspeakers you like most. For instance I don't like Genelec and Adam at all. Even Quested, a much more expensive brand, I don't like.

I wouldn't sell the new ones, since you say yourself they have a better stereo field and dynamics. Better to treat your room, together with those new loudspeakers.

[James_F9]

To the original poster - Your recorded 'Frequency curve' is not coming from your speakers - It's coming from your completely untreated room . Small amounts of foam will do absolutely nothing to deal with the peaks, troughs and other defects caused by putting any kind of monitors into a room that has not designed specifically for the playback of music - you could spend another £5000 and get the same result . The Munro speakers were simply too specialised and the distribution and setup behind it flawed hence the reason the company has folded .. My honest advice to anyone reading this making modern music and looking to spend a small fortune on monitors without the luxury of room treatment - Split your cash between a decent ( and well branded ) pair of mid price monitors and a pair of high end ( and well tested ) - open backed headphones - you will need to try both first to see if you get on with them as hearing is as individual as fingerprints so some systems will just not suit you

[thecontrolcentre]

To recap:

You buy a pair of "$2000" speakers 5 months ago to replace some cheap monitors. You get hold of some dodgy room measuring kit and now you've measured your room you've decided you don't like the little graph the computer plots on your screen. You make 4 threads regarding how shit you think these "$2000" speakers are and also attempt and sell them in the classifieds.
You now believe the speakers are faulty, but when you've contacted the manufacturer they informed you that they're going through liquidation and no longer in business, so instead of calling it a day and moving on to some other brand of loudspeakers you decide in your infinite wisdom to buy another pair of the same speakers you don't like, just incase!? - do I have this right?

Im sure you're trying to make some sort of point, but I cant quite get what it is...


Honest.

The OP also mentioned that the speakers had more bass on one side, and more treble on the other, and that this was also the case with his headphones plugged directly into his audio interface. When told to try his headphones back to front, he said the problem moved to the opposite speaker. The issue appears to be soundcard related.

[wickfut]

The OP also mentioned that the speakers had more bass on one side, and more treble on the other, and that this was also the case with his headphones plugged directly into his audio interface. When told to try his headphones back to front, he said the problem moved to the opposite speaker. The issue appears to be soundcard related.

Sonarworks has probably put a "room fix" eq over the soundcards outputs and he doesn't know how to turn it off.

[sqigls]

Face in front of speakers = "no" high frequencies
Ear in front of speaker (=head turned 90) = high frequencies very presents (sounds way more nicer).

It sounds like an ear-hair issue.

1. Go to the mirror, snip off a few of the long branches...
2. Come back to your speakers and repeat the 90º head turn test.
3. Repeat step 1 until you can face the front and the high frequency sounds become way more nicer.

[Lotuzia]

It's very important to have good mesuring tools available. I always take mine with me to be able to survive in complex environments. I call them 'ears'.

They are perfectly able to make the difference between 200€ and 2000€ monitors, in whatever decent spaces, and even more in a neutral acoustic space.

Sure it probably depends on the 200 and 2K models, but I'd say overall, big differences there are, and these can be heard. ime.

[annode]

It's frightening to me how many KvR sound engineers there are. How many feel the OP's perceived situation is caused mainly by his room reflections. I advise all of you to understand when your monitor is a near-field 5" bookshelf woofer design in a 30deg triangle listening arrangement, the room does NOT have any appreciable effect. The OP is lost for reasons beyond anyone's control.
Munro Eggs would be just as appropriate for my grandmother as for the OP it seems. So I would just give it all a rest. But, that's not going to happen...so, as you were.

[stardustmedia]

I advise all of you to understand when your monitor is a near-field 5" bookshelf woofer design in a 30deg triangle listening arrangement, the room does NOT have any appreciable effect.

How can a room NOT affect the acoustics? The room is always part of the acoustics.

[Scotty]

If you are listening at modest volume levels in the equilateral triangle and your speakers are port forward, and away from the walls (18 inches or more) the room has far less impact on the sound; hence nearfield monitors. You are correct, the room is always part of the sound but you can minimize the impact to the point where is more than possible to mix in a compromised space.

I advise all of you to understand when your monitor is a near-field 5" bookshelf woofer design in a 30deg triangle listening arrangement, the room does NOT have any appreciable effect.

How can a room NOT affect the acoustics? The room is always part of the acoustics.

[wickfut]

but the OP has a subwoofer connected, which he also had on when he done his frequency sweep. The subwoofer probably isn't placed nearfield.

[NotreDame]

I could get Focal Solo 6 be instead of eggs100 again.
Is it a good idea ?

And yes I deeply think That There is not only a problem of room...

[BertKoor]

I could get Focal Solo 6 be instead of eggs100 again.
Is it a good idea ?

You could buy any monitor. Why now Focal? Why are you convinced that is a step forward? You have not carried out any of the tests we have suggested to determine where exactly the cause of your issues is. Spending money without having it thought through has never solved any problem, apart from some odd cases of pure luck. So no.

Btw I always advice to have a proper demo of monitors side by side prior to buying. Did that?

And yes I deeply think That There is not only a problem of room...

Please enlighten us. What are exactly your thoughts? How can you prove any hypothesis? We have already suggested plenty experiments, plenty explanations, but no progress, no feedback...

Because I have really cheap passive monitors (Alesis MonitorOne MkII) connected to a hifi receiver that is 30 years old with eq bypassed in an untreated but acoustic acceptable room. And no problems. I really bet your eggs will blow that away, in my room and without sub.

[NotreDame]

I could get Focal Solo 6 be instead of eggs100 again.
Is it a good idea ?

You could buy any monitor. Why now Focal? Why are you convinced that is a step forward? You have not carried out any of the tests we have suggested to determine where exactly the cause of your issues is. Spending money without having it thought through has never solved any problem, apart from some odd cases of pure luck. So no.

Btw I always advice to have a proper demo of monitors side by side prior to buying. Did that?

And yes I deeply think That There is not only a problem of room...

Please enlighten us. What are exactly your thoughts? How can you prove any hypothesis? We have already suggested plenty experiments, plenty explanations, but no progress, no feedback...

Because I have really cheap passive monitors (Alesis MonitorOne MkII) connected to a hifi receiver that is 30 years old with eq bypassed in an untreated but acoustic acceptable room. And no problems. I really bet your eggs will blow that away, in my room and without sub.

Thanks for your help since the beginning.

My problem is not related to the sub, since the sub go only up to 85hz.
All the frequencies problems are over 100hz.

And my main problem are high frequencies.


I checked the speaker in outdoor this evening.

I took just one speaker, and listened in mono.

Same problem : lack of high frequencies, unless my ear is in front of the driver/woofer...

[BertKoor]

This is exactly what the 30 degs off-angle graphs made by Munro were telling you. And you ARE supposed to sit in that exact sweet spot in the dead middle with the cones straight to your face. These are no Bose speakers.

A proper demo in a shop should have revealed that within a few minutes. Listen. Love it or hate it? I think I could not stand it. I've turned down other monitors for this exact same thing. My MonitorOnes have it not too pronounced, but in a subtle way.