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Uncle E wrote:
Suhr told me that every guitar from their Chinese-built Rasmus line had to be completely worked over in the US factory. They said that when all was said and done, the US factory was doing almost as much work on them as if they'd built-in themselves from the beginning.

This is the same thing that happened with Cort. There is a documentary which shows the demise of the company. Cort farmed out labor to India.
India would send it back and the work had to be redone in their Korean Shops.

China is changing but it still takes oversight. My CIC Fender Telecaster Modern Player Plus was right as rain aside from the poor quality chinese built pups. My MIM Vintage Modified Blacktop Telecaster was a complete disaster. The saddles where flipped over when I got it. The edges on the frets are as sharp as hell. I had to sand down the nut. It arrived direct from an authorized dealer that didn't even look in the box. The paint is chipped. Oddly the pup's sound good.

The thing about Raines is he does all the finishing work himself. Same with Raven West. As far as Trev Wilkinson goes. He's been dealing with the same factory in Vietnam for 10 years now. He has a QC guy from the states living in Vietnam inspecting the guitars before they are shipped.

Spanish is my third language. I haven't kept up with it in recent years. When I was living in Florida I worked in a kitchen where I was the only anglo. It was a busy full service restaurant (extremely busy 3500 covers a night on the weekends) The cooks were great at their craft and fast. They were from various Latin American countries. Well paid by industry standards with benefits. Finding the right people to do the job isn't about nationality. But you can't get quality work for bargain basement labor.


When Gibson shut down operations in Kalamazoo and moved south they stated it was because the old factory couldn't keep up with demand. Kalamazoo has plenty of places to build new factories to this day. It would cost the same in construction. The real reason is because they wanted to cut labor costs. None of the workers wanted to move south. The first 6 years or so quality dropped dramatically. Cheap inexperienced labor and mass production without QC put in place. I knew an authorized dealer for Gibson guitars. And between the crap they would send him as well as the new pricing structure which meant he had to buy more guitars than he could move led him to parting ways with Gibson.

Meanwhile back in Kalamazoo the workers that stayed behind pooled their resources and reopened the plant as Heritage Guitars.
http://heritageguitar.com/

While things are starting to fade on heritage they still do the dog and pony show. The guitars cost a pretty penny. Apples for Apples though they still come under the price of Comparative Gibsons.
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Xiangqi wrote:ok, but that's pretty much always been 'a thing' though right? ...that so many guitars from so many factories, need to be set up after delivery, in order to work properly. it almost seems like, no matter what the price point, the majority of guitars are not entirely optimized, right out of the factory.
IME, Suhr's are consistently excellent straight from the factory. Every guitar is Plek'd and I'm pretty sure Suhr finishes them off by hand after the computer gets done with them.

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fedexnman wrote:The frets are level , I checked I believe the instrument or just the neck went thru the plek machine .. I may take it to get a proper setup before I decide an sell it .. It blows my mind the way guitars get sent out not even close to being setup descently . And I don't buy the personal preference of setups . I have acoustics that play better than this guitar .
My understanding is Gibson reserves the Plek machines for only the high-end models. With that said, I wouldn't be surprised if Gibson has gotten enough Plek machines to cover all guitars now. Plek's are expensive (about $50,000 each) but Gibson can afford it.

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Any opinions on Schecter then? They say made in Korea. I'm still jonesing for that Hellraiser Hybrid in UV with FR and Sustainiac. Probably gonna order this week...

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The only Schector that really catches my Eye is the PT Allegedly designed by Pete Townsend and only used on one of his songs.

The thing with sShector is that it's been through so many different ownerships. At one time it was owned by Yamaha and they were crap. When they were bought out by a private group they were made 100% in the US and they were great but the price tag made them out of reach for most consumers.

Korea can build as fine a guitar as anywhere else when it wants to. But then again you have to remember that a lot of "Made In Korea" actually isn't, The work is farmed out to cheaper labor in Asia then shipped back. When Samick started doing that the quality dropped considerably so they simply dropped "Made in Korea" from the name plate and were honest about where it was made. Samick's are no where near the quality they used to be. As a result they also don't ghost build for anyone anymore. (Ibanez, epihone etc)

The only thing I still like coming out of Korea is Peerless.
Peerless makes their own lineup of guitars as well they produce for other companies. Mostly jazz guitars. They make the made in Korea D'angelic's and many other brands of archtops. I have two Peerless made boxes. Both were released under the name "Guitar Research" an inhouse product for Sam Ash. I have the JX16 and JX17 Eddie Durham models. Simply flawless. Great tone, Great feel.
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This thread has my head spinning. A few pages ago, I started GAS'ing like crazy for a Sustainer. Now that fell apart because the Burny model I had my eye on was made in Korea!

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tapper mike wrote:The only Schector that really catches my Eye is the PT Allegedly designed by Pete Townsend and only used on one of his songs.

The thing with sShector is that it's been through so many different ownerships. At one time it was owned by Yamaha and they were crap. When they were bought out by a private group they were made 100% in the US and they were great but the price tag made them out of reach for most consumers.

Korea can build as fine a guitar as anywhere else when it wants to. But then again you have to remember that a lot of "Made In Korea" actually isn't, The work is farmed out to cheaper labor in Asia then shipped back. When Samick started doing that the quality dropped considerably so they simply dropped "Made in Korea" from the name plate and were honest about where it was made. Samick's are no where near the quality they used to be. As a result they also don't ghost build for anyone anymore. (Ibanez, epihone etc)

The only thing I still like coming out of Korea is Peerless.
Peerless makes their own lineup of guitars as well they produce for other companies. Mostly jazz guitars. They make the made in Korea D'angelic's and many other brands of archtops. I have two Peerless made boxes. Both were released under the name "Guitar Research" an inhouse product for Sam Ash. I have the JX16 and JX17 Eddie Durham models. Simply flawless. Great tone, Great feel.
Thanks. What do you reckon about the newish Fender US Elite series? The Strat is only a bit more than the Schecter I was looking at. It's got me thinking, especially the aged cherry burst!

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It's Fender's answer to a Suhr with those great new N4 pickups.

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I find Lace Sensor Gold (not hot gold) to be the finest set of noiseless single coils ever made. I don't think that they sound anything like conventional single coils. There is a sweet almost acoustic resonance about them. While I've yet to experience N4's or Suhr noiseless systems for myself I'm quite impressed with what I hear on youtube.

I love the fender elite series from what I've seen.
C to D profile neck, comfort cutaway, locking tuners, S switch, N4 pups, two way truss rod. Somehow you know with all that work the action will be right.
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Yes, exactly my thoughts too, thanks for replying. It's gonna be about €140 more than the Schecter C1 FR S, but I keep leaning that way. Decisions, decisions...

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The Suhr Silent Single Coil Back Plate sounds amazing on positions 1, 3, and 5 but has hum in positions 2 and 4 (due to the coils being 2 against 1). The new EMG Retro Active single coils have less hum than any hum canceling single coils I've used, including Suhr, Fender, Kinman, Dimarzio, and Seymour Duncan, and aren't overcompressed like earlier EMG single coils. I actually wish the RA-5 set was more compressed and I'm going to try the RA-2 set instead in hopes that it will be a bit softer sounding.

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Hermetech Mastering wrote:Any opinions on Schecter then? They say made in Korea. I'm still jonesing for that Hellraiser Hybrid in UV with FR and Sustainiac. Probably gonna order this week...
That's fine. I have murican, japan, MIM, MIK and MII.

In fact I have one of these:

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It's very well made. The frets are SS and the fretboard is ebony. It's comfy (for a 26.5 scale) and sounds......decent. The problem is that it's shit electronics. I really need to roll my own but just been too lazy. Got mine used for 600 bucks.

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Let's talk about neck joining for a second.

Bolt On vs Bolt In vs Set neck Vs Neck Through.

Had em all no single formula has dissuaded me from ever trying others.
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I've had poor luck with neck through but I'm guessing it's because most of them are maple. I'd love to try a mahogany or korina neck through. Unfortunately, the local Carvin store closed down so it's not so easy to try.

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Uncle E wrote:I've had poor luck with neck through but I'm guessing it's because most of them are maple. I'd love to try a mahogany or korina neck through. Unfortunately, the local Carvin store closed down so it's not so easy to try.
I had a Washburn Falcon with a 5 piece neck mahogany and maple. It was a thick D shape
Image Maple back with walnut cap wings. I wish I could remember what happened to that. It was meaty strong and you could pull harmonics from outer space on it. Extremely low action. Mighty, Ballsy tone. Harsher and longer lasting than an LP. More like an Ibanez Iceman or a Gibson Explorer.

I also had one of the first JB Players which at that time was made less that 4 miles away. Back then it was all electric guitars.
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Had to have been the thinnest neck I"ve ever played on. Very stable with 09's but I feared setting it up with any gauge higher. Great harmonics, Lots of sustain but it was wispy bright. I was forever turning down the tone and boosting the mid on my amp. Still was a lot of fun to play.
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