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[Elektronisch]

Yes i do hear myself very well and if the oscillators would even be just sampled for later use as sound generator, it wouldnt take 50gb of space right?

if you sampled every note for a gazillion of synths, yeah, it would. that's what sampling tends to result in.

I dont get your reason calling me a moron since modeling is what i ment by "sampling" (wich is why i added " ").

i don't get why you take issue with me calling you a moron, what i meant by "moron" is that you're very smart! see? that's what happens when you misuse words and then complain others misunderstand you. if you meant to say Syntronik isn't a modeling product - say that, and no one would disagree (even IK's own marketing materials, despite your implied claims to the contrary). but don't give me this "by sampling i meant modeling" crap.

" " should give you an understanding of opposite meaning since its quite common to use " " in various situation to have a different meaning. And right now only you misunderstud me it seems, not others. But i guess its because you have Burrito in a place of your brain (sorry but you started it).

I hope this is a last message since i really dont want to argue with a Burrito

[Bump1]

I don't like arguing with burritos either but they love to argue with me

[bigcat1969]

Wow this is one of the more bizarre threads ever. As likely the only guy here who as ever sampled a full piano or released his own line of sampled synths, let me clear up a few things.

A. When you press a key on a functional keyboard based analogue instrument, noise is produced.
B. When you record that noise, you have a sample.
C. When you do this for many different keys across the range of the keyboard, you have multi-sampled the keyboard instrument.
D. When you map these samples into a 'sampler' or 'rompler', you create a virtual instrument. When the user presses a key the sound he hears should be at a basic level the sound(s) you sampled to go with that key.
E. You can create an interface and add effects. The sample(s) will still play when a key is pressed it will just have effects added to the sample. This is like putting a single sample in your DAW and adding effects to it. The sample still plays. The effect don't magically deconstruct the sample into its component wave forms.
F. A Sampled Synth plays back samples of a synthesizer. Whatever was recorded plays back. It is not a synthesizer any more than my recordings of a piano are a piano.
G. IKM recorded 50 gigs of multi-sampled synth sounds. They created a cool and appropriate GUI. They added lots of neat effects to modify the sound of the samples. They are releasing this tomorrow.

Note yes IKM did sample single oscillators as well and created a complex engine to work with the samples, but it is still at it's heart a sample synth instrument with lots of cleverness added in. This why it is 50 gigs and has 70,000 samples. It is not a synth in the vein of Reaktor.

[db3]

Given IK have modelled various filters, I would expect them to have sampled synths with the filter completely open. This would provide limited sample-based synthesis, where 2 oscillators (samples), can drift and be modded before going through a modelled filter with filter envelope.

[Burillo]

" " should give you an understanding of opposite meaning since its quite common to use " " in various situation to have a different meaning. And right now only you misunderstud me it seems, not others.

nope. you can dress it up however you want, but it is enough to go back and re-read the entire conversation to get proper context and see that that's not what happened.

a person claimed that IK didn't multisample oscillators. i corrected him. he has since clarified that what he meant by "IK didn't multisample oscillators" was actually "IK won't allow him to use oscillator samples in a way that he would like". you took issue with my response, which implies you disagree with that assessment.

from there, there are two options. the first option is that you were disagreeing because you thought i was claiming that IK has modeled the synths in question. the second option is that you understood that i was claiming that IK sampled the oscillators, but you too think that sampling is not sampling unless it is done in a way you would like. both of these don't bode well for you - the former would imply a lack of reading comprehension, while the latter is the same no-true-scotsman that i had just responded to in that same post, which would indicate that you simply didn't read, or didn't understand the post you were replying to.

take your pick.

[ghettosynth]

Given IK have modelled various filters, I would expect them to have sampled synths with the filter completely open. This would provide limited sample-based synthesis, where 2 oscillators (samples), can drift and be modded before going through a modelled filter with filter envelope.

Yes, of course, but, there still seems to be some confusion from some readers here. It's very unlikely that the majority of the patches are just static short "raw" oscillator samples. First, that would NOT take fifty gigs, particularly since there is no reason to create different velocity layers for raw samples, do the math. Second, as I've mentioned numerous times, there isn't enough of a synth engine to create a diverse and interesting sonic palette that captures the character of the original instruments.

Further, there will be many patches where the original filter must be sampled, any kind of filter FM, for example. Also, to capture the character of the original synths, e.g., with oscillator sync, you have to have long samples, "drift technology" isn't going to help you there, in fact, it would probably just sound wrong.

[Peter - IK Multimedia]

You too can have 50gb of patches Jordan Ruddess deleted as soon as IK cut the check.

Yes, he may do other endorsements but he is actually a personal friend of Erik Norlander (the person behind Syntronik) and has been for far longer than either even knew about IK and he did lend Erik one of his own synths for Syntronik. Both of which are mentioned in one of the videos and both are 100% fact, sincerely presented there by Mr. Rudess.

Also, the second video is here:


Edit - he's holding the synth he lent us to use in Syntronik in the still

[Elektronisch]

" " should give you an understanding of opposite meaning since its quite common to use " " in various situation to have a different meaning. And right now only you misunderstud me it seems, not others.

nope. you can dress it up however you want, but it is enough to go back and re-read the entire conversation to get proper context and see that that's not what happened.

a person claimed that IK didn't multisample oscillators. i corrected him. he has since clarified that what he meant by "IK didn't multisample oscillators" was actually "IK won't allow him to use oscillator samples in a way that he would like". you took issue with my response, which implies you disagree with that assessment.

from there, there are two options. the first option is that you were disagreeing because you thought i was claiming that IK has modeled the synths in question. the second option is that you understood that i was claiming that IK sampled the oscillators, but you too think that sampling is not sampling unless it is done in a way you would like. both of these don't bode well for you - the former would imply a lack of reading comprehension, while the latter is the same no-true-scotsman that i had just responded to in that same post, which would indicate that you simply didn't read, or didn't understand the post you were replying to.

take your pick.

Lol it is how i wrote not how you think i thought. But let it be, its pointless because it seems you are of those types who know better then others, and from my expierience its same as talking with the wall. Hopefuly you are doing right in your life

End of discussion

[Elektronisch]

You too can have 50gb of patches Jordan Ruddess deleted as soon as IK cut the check.

Yes, he may do other endorsements but he is actually a personal friend of Erik Norlander (the person behind Syntronik) and has been for far longer than either even knew about IK and he did lend Erik one of his own synths for Syntronik. Both of which are mentioned in one of the videos and both are 100% fact, sincerely presented there by Mr. Rudess.

Also, the second video is here:


Edit - he's holding the synth he lent us to use in Syntronik in the still

Dont want to put gasoline in the fire but yamaha cs that Rudes lended to create the library is:

1. Virtual Analog Synth
2. Is not based on CS80 but on AN1X
3. AN1X was/is virtual analog synth

So it means V80 is based on a synth that is not CS-80. Dont want to be negative towards this product as it seems its a good one but it seems Jordan Rudess just broke Syntronik's autenticity

[Teksonik]

Also, the second video is here:

I had already pre-ordered but this video makes me want Syntronik....NOW. So many ideas bouncing around.

Of course you know if you don't release it tomorrow all Hell and Damnation shall rain down upon IK Multimedia.

[Teksonik]

Dont want to put gasoline in the fire but yamaha cs that Rudes lended to create the library is:

1. Virtual Analog Synth
2. Is not based on CS80 but on AN1X
3. AN1X was/is virtual analog synth

So it means V80 is based on a synth that is not CS-80. Dont want to be negative towards this product as it seems its a good one but it seems Jordan Rudess just broke Syntronik's autenticity

That synth model is just part of the "V80". I'm pretty sure they sampled a CS80 as well for another part of that module.

Go to 6:05 of the video above.

[ghettosynth]

You too can have 50gb of patches Jordan Ruddess deleted as soon as IK cut the check.

Yes, he may do other endorsements but he is actually a personal friend of Erik Norlander (the person behind Syntronik) and has been for far longer than either even knew about IK and he did lend Erik one of his own synths for Syntronik. Both of which are mentioned in one of the videos and both are 100% fact, sincerely presented there by Mr. Rudess.

Also, the second video is here:


Edit - he's holding the synth he lent us to use in Syntronik in the still

Dont want to put gasoline in the fire but yamaha cs that Rudes lended to create the library is:

1. Virtual Analog Synth
2. Is not based on CS80 but on AN1X
3. AN1X was/is virtual analog synth

So it means V80 is based on a synth that is not CS-80. Dont want to be negative towards this product as it seems its a good one but it seems Jordan Rudess just broke Syntronik's autenticity

Um, no. The CS-01 is a monophonic ANALOG synth from the mid 80s. I used to own one and was happy to sell it TBH. Unless you're talking about some other loaned synth, the CS-01 that he is holding is absolutely an analog synth.

[db3]

Given IK have modelled various filters, I would expect them to have sampled synths with the filter completely open. This would provide limited sample-based synthesis, where 2 oscillators (samples), can drift and be modded before going through a modelled filter with filter envelope.

Yes, of course, but, there still seems to be some confusion from some readers here. It's very unlikely that the majority of the patches are just static short "raw" oscillator samples. First, that would NOT take fifty gigs, particularly since there is no reason to create different velocity layers for raw samples, do the math. Second, as I've mentioned numerous times, there isn't enough of a synth engine to create a diverse and interesting sonic palette that captures the character of the original instruments.

Further, there will be many patches where the original filter must be sampled, any kind of filter FM, for example. Also, to capture the character of the original synths, e.g., with oscillator sync, you have to have long samples, "drift technology" isn't going to help you there, in fact, it would probably just sound wrong.

Totally agree, just saying it's more than just a sampled piano. I guess it's a combination of plain & character samples + synthesis. I assume Omnisphere uses a similar approach.

So this "IK developers have worked tirelessly to capture multiple round robins of single oscillators as well as oscillator combinations (including sync and FM sweeps)"...and probably much more.

[Burillo]

Lol it is how i wrote not how you think i thought. But let it be, its pointless because it seems you are of those types who know better then others, and from my expierience its same as talking with the wall.

from my experience, it's rather the other way around, as you seem to be one of those types who think that me disagreeing with you warrants more attention than the substance of the disagreement, which is why you deflect instead of addressing what i said. so yes, it is like talking to a wall. with you.

Jordan's videos show me everything i want from Syntronik. a few weeks ago i tried to use SampleTank's synths for a fast bassline, and failed miserably because of the machine gun effect. Syntronik doesn't seem to suffer from that, probably that's what "DRIFT" is all about. so that's cool.

[Elektronisch]

You too can have 50gb of patches Jordan Ruddess deleted as soon as IK cut the check.

Yes, he may do other endorsements but he is actually a personal friend of Erik Norlander (the person behind Syntronik) and has been for far longer than either even knew about IK and he did lend Erik one of his own synths for Syntronik. Both of which are mentioned in one of the videos and both are 100% fact, sincerely presented there by Mr. Rudess.

Also, the second video is here:


Edit - he's holding the synth he lent us to use in Syntronik in the still

Dont want to put gasoline in the fire but yamaha cs that Rudes lended to create the library is:

1. Virtual Analog Synth
2. Is not based on CS80 but on AN1X
3. AN1X was/is virtual analog synth

So it means V80 is based on a synth that is not CS-80. Dont want to be negative towards this product as it seems its a good one but it seems Jordan Rudess just broke Syntronik's autenticity

Um, no. The CS-01 is a monophonic ANALOG synth from the mid 80s. I used to own one and was happy to sell it TBH. Unless you're talking about some other loaned synth, the CS-01 that he is holding is absolutely an analog synth.

Ah sorry my bad i got confused with CS reface

My bad