Syntronik [update March 2018: New T-03 Bonus Content & 4-for-1 bass synth promo] available

[Elektronisch]

Lol it is how i wrote not how you think i thought. But let it be, its pointless because it seems you are of those types who know better then others, and from my expierience its same as talking with the wall.

from my experience, it's rather the other way around, as you seem to be one of those types who think that me disagreeing with you warrants more attention than the substance of the disagreement, which is why you deflect instead of addressing what i said. so yes, it is like talking to a wall. with you.

Jordan's videos show me everything i want from Syntronik. a few weeks ago i tried to use SampleTank's synths for a fast bassline, and failed miserably because of the machine gun effect. Syntronik doesn't seem to suffer from that, probably that's what "DRIFT" is all about. so that's cool.

Good for you

[Bump1]

"IK developers have worked tirelessly to capture multiple round robins of single oscillators.....

So why not give us a legitimate synth engine!??? They couldn't be arsed to add a few LFO's, a couple envelopes, a mod matrix???

[Peter - IK Multimedia]

Also, the second video is here:

I had already pre-ordered but this video makes me want Syntronik....NOW. So many ideas bouncing around.

Of course you know if you don't release it tomorrow all Hell and Damnation shall rain down upon IK Multimedia.

Oh I know. I know this VERY well. Hopefully I can get in my "Hell and Damnation Protection Pod" if the worst case scenario happens!

[Dewdman42]

Totally agree, just saying it's more than just a sampled piano. I guess it's a combination of plain & character samples + synthesis. I assume Omnisphere uses a similar approach.

If syntronik has the ability to start with two waveforms, apply filter and amplitude envelopes, lfo, etc.. then it's a synth, not a rompler. Albeit a very simple one.

Omnisphere is also a synth with a fairly simple synth architecture and a vast array of samples including wavetables and samples analog oscillators, but it has just a bit more control over what can be done then syntronik appears to have. A mod matrix, a much more diverse pallete of waveform samples to work with and complete control over mixing and matching those. A few other things. There is no question that omnisphere far surpasses syntronik in terms of sound design potential.

The strength I see with syntronik is that it captures the sound of classic old synths, apparently with a level of warmth that is NOT typically present in a rompler, whatever they did will be hugely playable sounds from a wide variety of classic famous synths. Easy to play, easy to tweak a little bit and do very common manipulations like lfo modulation, filter sweeps, etc. for an awful lot of people that just want to write some music and don't feel a need to come up with crazy cool synth patches this will be perfectly good enough. Folks that want authentic recreations of those synths in their entirety for sound design or exploration should look elsewhere.

Even though I already own a number of modeled analog synths and omnisphere and all the sound design potential that far exceeds my current talent, I got syntronik on pre order because for 69 bucks I see it as being useful...easy to access a wide pallete of synth sounds from a single instrument, layering and arp built in to quickly and easily get to a cool analog synth sound that will sound warm and musical and easily called up. Yes it consumes a lot of disk space.

For accomplished synthesists, this package I think will be entirely disappointing. I don't know why some of you are even still wasting time talking about it on this thread. This product is not really meant for you. I have learned nearly everything there is to know about music theory, but programming synthesizers is still a deep mystery and probably always will be beyond some of the most simple forms of it. This product is better for someone like me.

Yes I wish this product perhaps provided just a bit more manipulation control, like a mod matrix and more direct ability to choose waveforms, stuff that would make it possible to take all those waveforms they sampled with the drift technology and explore new sound design, but that is not really what this product is.

I paid $400 for omnisphere and this was 69 bucks with my jam points. I will let you know next week what I think about it, but seems good value for quickly getting those warm classic synth sounds into my tracks from a wide pallete with minimum fuss. Somewhat similar to what I can do with my $2500 Jupiter-80.

[ghettosynth]

Totally agree, just saying it's more than just a sampled piano. I guess it's a combination of plain & character samples + synthesis. I assume Omnisphere uses a similar approach.

If syntronik has the ability to start with two waveforms, apply filter and amplitude envelopes, lfo, etc.. then it's a synth, not a rompler. Albeit a very simple one.

Almost EVERY SINGLE ROMPER in existence can do this. People have been trying to redefine terms to suit their prejudice since long before this thread started. I can call a couple of spoons a synthesizer if I want to, doesn't mean much though.

Most romplers are synths, but they're romplers as well. The terms are not mutually exclusive. Rompler is a useful label that helps to bracket this and other products accordingly.

I'm not an Omnisphere fan, but, Omni is much more of a synthesizer than this product. The best comparison so far has been the UVI rompler instruments.

[Dewdman42]

but wait by your definition Omnisphere is a rompler too.

[ghettosynth]

but wait by your definition Omnisphere is a rompler too.

The classic demarcation hinges on whether or not you can load your own samples. This where the term originates, e.g. rompler vs sampler. So, yes, until the latest major version, Omni WAS a rompler. Now it's a sample based synthesizer.

Again, let's not get caught up in these thinking that they are mutually exclusive labels. Having a filter and amplitude envelopes doesn't make the vast majority of romplers something else when used in casual conversation. The vast majority, if not all, of the UVI rompler products also have a filter and amplitude envelopes. When distinguishing between them and other emulations of the original synths, referring to them as a rompler is useful in conversation.

We're talking about a product that is a library of samples of classic analog synth sounds. The rompler label is extremely useful in that context, it distinguishes this product from actual models of the sampled synthesizers.

So, if someone is comparing this product to say the Arturia collection in conversation then saying that Syntronik is a rompler, is meaningful as it describes the very important limitations of the product that are not present in Arturia's offering. It doesn't mean that it's better or worse, maybe you prefer this product to Arturia's models? It is, however, a statement of fact. It communicates the limitations that we've been talking about in this thread. As I said, IMO, it's much more of a restriction than it is with other products like Omnisphere, which can do much more with its simple sampling engine than this product can, as a synthesizer.

[Dewdman42]

as is Syntronik then, albiet a more simple one.

[Bump1]

Simple is an understatement when you compare it to Omnispheres engine.

[ghettosynth]

as is Syntronik then, albiet a more simple one.

Sure, you do understand what "mutually exclusive" means, right? The Korg M1 is a synthesizer as well, as are many extremely simple Casio romplers.

As we discussed earlier in the thread, there is no shortage of rompler based, hybrid even, analog synth products. UVI makes a bunch of them, there are a boatload available for Kontakt etc. All of these products, for me, are classified roughly the same, as romplers. Their synth engines are relatively simple and they are hampered in terms of oscillator interaction by their rompler nature. In fact, Syntronik is among the most limited. Many Kontakt based instruments, for example, give you pitch modulation and oscillator mixing.

Debating this label is silly. It seems that people want to elevate this product beyond what it is. It's a rompler model of analog synths. There's nothing special, from a technology point of view, beyond the claimed "drift technology" and "modeled filters." Kontakt has modeled filters as well, whether or not they're any good depends somewhat on your perspective. Drift can also be modeled in Kontakt, this isn't exactly a new idea you know? Granted, if the filters are done well then that's a genuinely useful feature. A lot of us have been asking for better filters in Kontakt for some time now. We don't know that yet, however, even if they're awesome, they're of limited usefulness because of the limited modulation and the rompler nature of the instrument.

At any rate, when people refer to it as a rompler, it's not some label that you can remove with pedantic comparison. It's a useful label of where the product fits within the ecosystem of virtual instruments.

[wagtunes]

@ghetto

It boggles my mind how people can't grasp such a simple concept.

[Dewdman42]

disagree completely. The M1 played sample wave forms there were largely already the complex desired wave form, such as piano, or strings or whatever. Same goes for most of the UVI crap, none of which I like.

Taking simple wave forms and synthesizing richer timbres out of them is something else entirely... That is synthesis. The word rompler has an inferred meaning that we are playing back samples that are already basically baked in timbres. Syntronik appears to have the ability to take simple wave forms and synthesize richer timbres out of it....on that note it is absolutely NOT a rompler (unless you want to call all synthesizers ever made using sampled waveforms as all romplers too....such as omnisphere and too many others to count.

@ghetto and wagtunes, it boggles my mind the arrogance of analog synth snobs on this thread.. so there...

[wagtunes]

disagree completely. The M1 played sample wave forms there were largely already the complex desired wave form, such as piano, or strings or whatever. Same goes for most of the UVI crap, none of which I like.

Taking simple wave forms and synthesizing richer timbres out of them is something else entirely... That is synthesis. The word rompler has an inferred meaning that we are playing back samples that are already basically baked in timbres. Syntronik appears to have the ability to take simple wave forms and synthesize richer timbres out of it....on that note it is absolutely NOT a rompler (unless you want to call all synthesizers ever made using sampled waveforms as all romplers too....such as omnisphere and too many others to count.

@ghetto and wagtunes, it boggles my mind the arrogance of analog synth snobs on this thread.. so there...

Okay, you call me a snob. That's fine. So let me ask you a question. I've been using synthesizers since the 1970s. When I think of just a basic synthesizer, this is what I think of and the absolute bear minimum I expect that synthesizer to do.

1) Pull up whatever waveforms that particular synthesizer comes with, even if it's something as simple as a Minimoog that is basically saw, square, pulse, triangle, for each oscillator that synth happens to have. Minimoog has 3. Some only have 2. Some only 1. The number doesn't matter.

2) Run that oscillator through a filter even if it's just a low pass filter.

3) Modulate that oscillator via LFO, oscillator sync, whatever that synth happens to come with. The Minimoog can use oscillator 3 as its mod source. Some synths have 1 LFO. Some have multiple LFOs.

4) Modulate the filter via the same tools as in number 3, whatever they may be.

5) Be able to make any sound that I can think given the architecture of that synth, no matter how simple it might be. There should be no limitations within that architecture.

Can Syntronik do all that? If not, to me anyway, it is not a synth anymore than Nexus is a synth to me.

Peter himself has said that for those looking for a "fully programmable synthesizer" Syntronik is not going to be for them.

So how can you call me a snob when Peter himself, who I happen to like a lot and will defend to the nth degree, said to me that I probably won't find what I'm looking for in Syntronik?

It is not a dirty word to call a piece of equipment what it is. And in this instance, Syntronik is NOT a fully programmable synthesizer. It cannot do the things that I want to do with a synth. I can do more with a Minimoog, which is about as basic as it comes, than I can with Syntronik. And, for me, a Minimoog just about qualifies as a synth.

In today's day and age, where you have synths with massive modulation matrices, tons of waveforms, filters and LFOs and gobs of FX that can be combined and manipulated in countless ways, why would somebody other than someone who just wants to pull up a preset quickly and play it (nothing wrong with that) get something like Syntronik?

You can call it a synth all you want. It's not.

At least it's not what I would call a synth.

[Dewdman42]

wagtunes, your arrogance is displayed here:

@ghetto

It boggles my mind how people can't grasp such a simple concept.

From what I can gather watching videos Syntronik will be able to select for example, square wave vs sawtooth, etc..and apply some of the simple synthesis methods you mentioned.

It may not have some of the more sophisticated synth features that snobs such as yourself have come to love.

[JJ_Jettflow]

wagtunes, your arrogance is displayed here:

@ghetto

It boggles my mind how people can't grasp such a simple concept.

From what I can gather watching videos Syntronik will be able to select for example, square wave vs sawtooth, etc..and apply some of the simple synthesis methods you mentioned.

It may not have some of the more sophisticated synth features that snobs such as yourself have come to love.

I think waveforms are only accessible by patch selection. That is to say, that is you want a Mini sound with two square waveforms, you will have to pick a preset that contains those waveforms and edit from there.

Of course, like the other 52 pages of scribble in this thread, it is all conjecture since there is not a hands-on answer....until tomorrow that is.