Could we be on the verge of SONAR 4 Producer Edition?

[Robert Randolph]

People ranting about a product that isn't even released yet

People constantly putting down things that don't work for them or the way that they want them to

Only on K-v-R.

We've only been speaking about sonar 3. In fact I myself, and a fw others hav high hopes for v4.

And I havent seen anyone put anything down either. This has been one of the most civil host threads Ive seen on KVR till your comment.

[Mr. Slater's Parrot]

And what about the audio stutters during midi editing

I don't get any audio stutters at all when editing midi in Sonar 3.1.1.

Sonar runs very reliably on my system. I'm using a MOTU 828 firewire device, mainly. I tend to use soundcards/soundboxes that support zero-latency hardware monitoring, so ultra-low latency isn't an issue at all for me when recording via mics or direct input. I find 5 or 6 ms latency plenty good enough for midi recording. And playback with even 30 ms latency isn't a problem, as far as I'm concerned.

I do get the occassional crash when I use my M-Audio Firewire Audiophile. But then again, that thing crashes Cubase SX2, Samplitude, and every other host that I use it with. For some reason, M-Audio drivers don't like my system.

Also, as mentioned previously, Sonar definitely does support Auto-Save.

[blaster78]

And I havent seen anyone put anything down either. This has been one of the most civil host threads Ive seen on KVR till your comment.

very true rob, i agree, quite a pleasant thread to read actually.

cheers,

steve.

ps. by the way.... if anyone misunderstood what i was saying in my latency post, i was reffering to those of us in the general populace with cloth ears.... not everyone i have no doubt that many there are lots of people who can tell.... just not me.

[DevonB]

ps. by the way.... if anyone misunderstood what i was saying in my latency post, i was reffering to those of us in the general populace with cloth ears.... not everyone i have no doubt that many there are lots of people who can tell.... just not me.

Is it 'cloth ears' though, or your expectation of when you hit a key on your keyboard of when you'll actually hear sound coming out? I'm used to hardware keyboards, and low latency of playback of its internal sounds. Too bad this is a case of 'have to be standing there next to me to show you' kinda thing.

But 'cloth ears' I'd never pin on someone who doesn't hear it. Different expectations I would say is more accurate.

And yes, that has been one of the more 'laid back' threads too, amazingly.

Devon

[blaster78]

Is it 'cloth ears' though, or your expectation of when you hit a key on your keyboard of when you'll actually hear sound coming out?

probably a bit of both.... i've got some hardware (admittedly a crappy keyboard and sound module) and i cant tell the difference between that and the plugs until the latency gets above ~20ms unless i'm really trying to.

still, least that means i can run at a higher latency

cheers,

steve.

[TeeLangSun]

I don't get crashes except on rare occassions

rarely is too much. Tracktions only crashed once on me that I can remember. Saw has crashed due to faulty VST's... which isnt a problem, I simply deleted them.

My main problem with sonar and large projects was sonar becoming sluggish. UI slows down, meters slow down, everything grinds to a halt. Like I said, Im spoiled... saw takes 100% cpu use and everything is bright and cheery and reactive as if there's no project loaded with no need to bump up your buffers to some crazy amount. Tracktion's the same way... Except the meters slow a bit.

I agree with the above comments as well. Sonar seems so light on it's feet when you open it up and get started, but once you have some things going on, everything starts to slow down, particularly I've noticed the meters in the mixer go into slow motion or stop and go. I also agree with Sluggo's comments about the glitches and stutters when moving things like midi notes and audio clips or other things. I do believe that all of this, not including the sluggishness under load, have been improved a great deal, but still are there. I can't say that I believe any of the big sequencers are overall better than the next though. They each have strengths and weaknesses.

[LoRez]

I don't get crashes except on rare occassions

rarely is too much. Tracktions only crashed once on me that I can remember. Saw has crashed due to faulty VST's... which isnt a problem, I simply deleted them.

My main problem with sonar and large projects was sonar becoming sluggish. UI slows down, meters slow down, everything grinds to a halt. Like I said, Im spoiled... saw takes 100% cpu use and everything is bright and cheery and reactive as if there's no project loaded with no need to bump up your buffers to some crazy amount. Tracktion's the same way... Except the meters slow a bit.

I agree with the above comments as well. Sonar seems so light on it's feet when you open it up and get started, but once you have some things going on, everything starts to slow down, particularly I've noticed the meters in the mixer go into slow motion or stop and go. I also agree with Sluggo's comments about the glitches and stutters when moving things like midi notes and audio clips or other things. I do believe that all of this, not including the sluggishness under load, have been improved a great deal, but still are there. I can't say that I believe any of the big sequencers are overall better than the next though. They each have strengths and weaknesses.

TLS...I wondered where you were
Took you long enough...

Okay, actually your post was rather diplomatic, so I had to call off my readied attack

[Robert Randolph]

Does Sonar 3 have a score editor? I never looked into it, but since Im learning midi that would be a great asset to me as I am very samiliar with that as opposed to piano roll. In fact... assuming sonar is stable that's probabaly a big selling point to me if only to make it my main midi app.

[LoRez]

Does Sonar 3 have a score editor? I never looked into it, but since Im learning midi that would be a great asset to me as I am very samiliar with that as opposed to piano roll. In fact... assuming sonar is stable that's probabaly a big selling point to me if only to make it my main midi app.

It does have a score editor. It is great for composition, but you'd probably be better off with Finale or Sibelius for publishing.

[LoRez]

I don't get crashes except on rare occassions

rarely is too much. Tracktions only crashed once on me that I can remember. Saw has crashed due to faulty VST's... which isnt a problem, I simply deleted them.

My main problem with sonar and large projects was sonar becoming sluggish. UI slows down, meters slow down, everything grinds to a halt. Like I said, Im spoiled... saw takes 100% cpu use and everything is bright and cheery and reactive as if there's no project loaded with no need to bump up your buffers to some crazy amount. Tracktion's the same way... Except the meters slow a bit.

I agree with the above comments as well. Sonar seems so light on it's feet when you open it up and get started, but once you have some things going on, everything starts to slow down, particularly I've noticed the meters in the mixer go into slow motion or stop and go.

The reason you are seeing slowdown is because you are pushing your machine to the limits and it is transferring resources away from the GUI and to the audio engine. This is a GOOD thing. no? My GUI never slows down until the system is taxed to a high degree. Would you rather your tracks play back and/or record and the meters slow, or would you rather the audio engine drop?

[LoRez]

still waiting to hear lorez's audio card and latency settings...........

I missed this...I figured I had at least a 15 minute window to respond...it took me a whole 14 minutes to respond. Guess that means I was trying to duck the question?

[WillieJenkins]

LoRez, I almost posted as soon as I saw TeeLangSuns post! But when I saw how diplomatic it was, I decided not to.

This doesn't seem as funny written down as it was when I saw you mention him the thread, but I was literally laughing out loud!!!


Oh man. That just made my night

[LoRez]

LoRez, I almost posted as soon as I saw TeeLangSuns post! But when I saw how diplomatic it was, I decided not to.

This doesn't seem as funny written down as it was when I saw you mention him the thread, but I was literally laughing out loud!!!


Oh man. That just made my night

I'm glad someone got it. It was indeed diplomatic so I had the same reaction. Although I had a moment of weakness a little while ago and just had to post something. But I think it was at least constructive, and I really tried not to sound like I was bickering. Tryin' to keep it all as civil as possible...really tough with mood swings n' all.

[DevonB]

Another hint; Guitar Center ad I received in the mail today 'Upgrade to next version of Sonar for free if you buy today'.

Devon