SONAR 4 Surround....

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Do you mix in surround?

I will in Sonar 4
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26%
No I don't
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43%
With more knowledge on it possibly yes
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19%
Too expensive to set up, (software and hardware)
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5%
Yes but with another package
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7%
 
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Will you use Sonar4's surround features?
Last edited by christianmusicmaker on Sat Sep 04, 2004 6:26 am, edited 7 times in total.
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Protools LE has pow-r as well you know.
cubase/nuendo has had mpex...

Do you know if theyll have anything really cool coming? I guess tommorow...
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Robert Randolph wrote:Protools LE has pow-r as well you know.
cubase/nuendo has had mpex...

Do you know if theyll have anything really cool coming? I guess tommorow...
Eh? It's probably cool for those who have Sonar.
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Banjostar wrote:
Robert Randolph wrote:Protools LE has pow-r as well you know.
cubase/nuendo has had mpex...

Do you know if theyll have anything really cool coming? I guess tommorow...
Eh? It's probably cool for those who have Sonar.
Oh totally... but there are those of us who are looking to perhaps get sonar... ;)
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Robert Randolph wrote:Protools LE has pow-r as well you know.
cubase/nuendo has had mpex...

Do you know if theyll have anything really cool coming? I guess tommorow...
Right, but to be fair...Pro Tools LE has pow-r but only 32 tracks and its other limitations. This does not take away from the power of its dithering, so don't get me wrong. Furthermore, Cubase has Mpex, bit not Pow-r dither or some other things that Sonar and/or PTLE have. So I think the excitement is still warranted because any user is going to look at the TOTAL power of their software package. The fact that this program has had x and that program has had y doesn't mean anything to a person who chooses to mainly work in one application. It's the combined picture that is exciting not ad-hoc features per se.
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Robert Randolph wrote:
Banjostar wrote:
Robert Randolph wrote:Protools LE has pow-r as well you know.
cubase/nuendo has had mpex...

Do you know if theyll have anything really cool coming? I guess tommorow...
Eh? It's probably cool for those who have Sonar.
Oh totally... but there are those of us who are looking to perhaps get sonar... ;)
Agreed. I hope there is more obviously :)

Surround Lexi sounds pretty fun though...provided you have a 5.1 mixing setup.
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I guess Im just hoping sonar has something revolutionary... not just a "user update". For some reason Im looking for something to bring me over the edge... Tractkion is fab, but sonar jusst seems like it fits me better personally... Ive been through every host there is lol. Only one I stick with is SAW so *shrug*... proabaly tells me something ;)
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Robert Randolph wrote:Protools LE has pow-r as well you know.
cubase/nuendo has had mpex...

Do you know if theyll have anything really cool coming? I guess tommorow...
No more news but Cakewalk will provide the full details within days or hours I would imagine! 8)
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Robert Randolph wrote:I guess Im just hoping sonar has something revolutionary... not just a "user update". For some reason Im looking for something to bring me over the edge... Tractkion is fab, but sonar jusst seems like it fits me better personally... Ive been through every host there is lol. Only one I stick with is SAW so *shrug*... proabaly tells me something ;)
I know the feeling, thats why I got into ableton Live
used to use Sonar, I truly believe though that Live has pushed things in a new direction and that its gonna make the sonars and logics come with something new and interesting in the near future.
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LoRez wrote:
Robert Randolph wrote:Protools LE has pow-r as well you know.
cubase/nuendo has had mpex...

Do you know if theyll have anything really cool coming? I guess tommorow...
Furthermore, Cubase has Mpex, bit not Pow-r dither or some other things that Sonar and/or PTLE have.
Correct it does have MPEX and although it does not have Pow-r dither it does have another heavyweight alogorithim...
UV22HR. I wonder which one is better.

Magix (Samplitude)have gone the Pow-r dither route as well so it is a very high end addition to Sonar 4.

As for SX3 considering they already have surround features and MPEX I wonder what they will add to SX3 maybe more native synths and fx plugs?

A better freeze function and 10.1 or 12.1 surround and maybe CD burning would duplicate some of Wavelabs features and 10.1 suround is not the top priority for every musician :wink: but I can see the use and potential.

Cakewalk have really gone for it and it looks like Sonar 4 is potentially a complete package, end to end now.
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mmh, interesting. i'm stuck to the 2.2 version and i'm willing to upgrade to 4 PE if it's worth it.

however i have no clue what is POW-r-Dithering for. could someone enlighten me? thanks.
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Wopelka wrote:mmh, interesting. i'm stuck to the 2.2 version and i'm willing to upgrade to 4 PE if it's worth it.

however i have no clue what is POW-r-Dithering for. could someone enlighten me? thanks.
as far as I know (I might be wrong) if you go from one sample rate to the other, say from 48k to 44.1k you need to get rid of samples to get to the 44.1. That means you're removing parts of the wave file. In order to get good sounding results you need (a) very powerful, accurate algorithm(s) to find the right replacement for those samples, otherwise you'll get quality loss/damage, etc. the better the algorithm(s) the better the result

POW-r-Dithering is one of those methods

compare it to photoshop resizing images, it needs to be smart in what it removes so to keep the image clean and accurate
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spaceman wrote:
Wopelka wrote:mmh, interesting. i'm stuck to the 2.2 version and i'm willing to upgrade to 4 PE if it's worth it.

however i have no clue what is POW-r-Dithering for. could someone enlighten me? thanks.
as far as I know (I might be wrong) if you go from one sample rate to the other, say from 48k to 44.1k you need to get rid of samples to get to the 44.1. That means you're removing parts of the wave file. In order to get good sounding results you need (a) very powerful, accurate algorithm(s) to find the right replacement for those samples, otherwise you'll get quality loss/damage, etc. the better the algorithm(s) the better the result

POW-r-Dithering is one of those methods

compare it to photoshop resizing images, it needs to be smart in what it removes so to keep the image clean and accurate
Not quite.You are mixing up bit reduction with sample rate conversion.Dithering is the process of reducing 24 bits to 16 bits.I will not attempt to exlain how it works because I don't want my tenuous grasp of the subject to lead to any confusion,and there are surely people here who do understand it and can better shed light on the subject than I.But yes,Pow-r,UV-22 et al are algorithms for doing that process
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Bassballjg wrote:
spaceman wrote:
Wopelka wrote:mmh, interesting. i'm stuck to the 2.2 version and i'm willing to upgrade to 4 PE if it's worth it.

however i have no clue what is POW-r-Dithering for. could someone enlighten me? thanks.
as far as I know (I might be wrong) if you go from one sample rate to the other, say from 48k to 44.1k you need to get rid of samples to get to the 44.1. That means you're removing parts of the wave file. In order to get good sounding results you need (a) very powerful, accurate algorithm(s) to find the right replacement for those samples, otherwise you'll get quality loss/damage, etc. the better the algorithm(s) the better the result

POW-r-Dithering is one of those methods

compare it to photoshop resizing images, it needs to be smart in what it removes so to keep the image clean and accurate
Not quite.You are mixing up bit reduction with sample rate conversion.Dithering is the process of reducing 24 bits to 16 bits.I will not attempt to exlain how it works because I don't want my tenuous grasp of the subject to lead to any confusion,and there are surely people here who do understand it and can better shed light on the subject than I.But yes,Pow-r,UV-22 et al are algorithms for doing that process
aaaah of course.. but the principle is roughly the same isn't it?.. you're taking away data so you need a smart way of doing it so not to get too much quality loss or damage
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Wopelka wrote:mmh, interesting. i'm stuck to the 2.2 version and i'm willing to upgrade to 4 PE if it's worth it.

however i have no clue what is POW-r-Dithering for. could someone enlighten me? thanks.
Here is Samplitudes write up on it....

"Samplitude 7 now comes with POW r, a high-quality dither algorithm. Developed and patented by the POW r Consortium, it reduces word lengths of 20, 24 or 32 bits to the standardized 16 bit CD format with a high degree of perceptible signal dynamics and low noise level".

POW-r dithering

Additional information on POW-r dithering
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