roland tr-08 and sh-01a

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looks cute and i really think, i could love the sh-01a

https://www.roland.com/global/products/sh-01a/



https://www.roland.com/global/products/tr-08/

[AnX]

A drum machine with no individual outputs?

[audio/fault]

like the tr-09. though you still have separate outputs with usb.

[NEOREV]

More ACB?
Yawn

[sprnva]

Roland boutique USB isn't class-compliant either from what I hear. Sad.

[DJ Warmonger]

A drum machine with no individual outputs?

I bet these outputs alone would add 100 USD to the cost, probably increasing overall size.

All in all, these are interesting proposals - good functionality and classic sound in small form factor for good money.

[Moosy_Moose]

I'm wondering what will happen to the Tr-8 now that we have a boutique 909 and an 808.
I'm theorizing that they might have even just used the 909/808 samples that they've developed for the Tr-8 and put them in small boutique boxes. No idea, but feasible, right? And if this is the case, then what's the point for Roland to continue provide support for the Tr-8?

[audio/fault]

neither the tr-8 nor the tr-08/09 use samples. except maybe for the 909-hihats/cymbals. i'm not sure about them in this case... so no tr-8 samples inside tr-08/09. they're just virtual-analog.

the first batch of boutiques (ju-06, jp-08, jx-03) is nearly not available anymore (at least in germany), so i guess, they will vanish at some point. the same for the second batch (including tr-09) and likely the third batch (in about 1 or 2 years).

the tr-8 will stay. it got sound-upgrades etc.

[Moosy_Moose]

Right, thanks for correcting me, not samples but basically the same ACB technology in the tr-8 and tr-09/08. I'm just wondering because I have a tr-8 with the 7x7 expansion and was very hopeful that Roland might release additional sound packs sometime in the near future. Seeing this now makes me think that they might be trying to phase out the tr-8.

Tough I'm not sure for how much the new boutique 808 will be sold, but if the technology behind the 808 and 909 boutiques is the same as in the tr-8, then wouldn't the tr-8 be just better value for money? Of course, I understand the look factor and the ability to use 2 different machines simultaneously. I guess I'm just hoping the tr-8 will not be abandoned.

[acid alex]

The TR-8 was updated only yesterday (with MIDI out for the SP404A) so it's definitely not been abandoned.

Update history
[ Ver.1.50 ] AUG 2017
Additional Function
Supported frequencies during a USB connection were expanded to 44.1, 48, and 96 kHz.
* To make use of 44.1 and 48 kHz, use the latest version of the driver (version 1.5).
Functionality for triggering the SP-404SX or SP-404A was added.

[Aliens]

I like the concept of the boutique product line, but too tiny for practical use by my man hands.
50% bigger would be nice, but it won't happen, so no regrets etc.

[Stupid American Pig]

The boutiques are just another way to amortize costs from the tr-8 development. They already have the modeling tech, and the boutiques seem to be aimed at recreating the experience of the old gear more than the aira gear. For instance, unless it's in a hidden menu, the tr-08 kick doesn't appear to be pitch tunable. I understand the decision for that, but if you're adding compression to the new one why not include the tune knob for the kick? I definitely like the appearance of the boutiques over the aira hardware. Though I do dislike the small form factor.

[Tux]

If you want hardware individual outs on a Roland drum machine then the idea is to buy a TR8. If they were to put individual outs on the TR08 and TR09 then it could potentially harm sales of the TR8. It's just common sense on Roland's part.

Roland used to do this back in the day with cut down features on their Boss products. I once had a Boss drum machine (DR550) which sounded really good but had certain features missing, but I knew that if I wanted those features I'd have to get an R8 or an R5. It's no different now.

The TR8 is Roland's flagship drum machine and has all the 'pro' features if that's what you want (apart from real analogue sounds that everyone seems so desperate for.)

The boutiques are just for nostalgia purposes and all those frustrated wannabe 808, 909 & 303 owners who can't either source or afford the originals.

But then there are the purists who are turning their noses up at the new Roland products due to the lack of real analogue circuitry.

It appears to me that Roland are a completely different company now from the company that existed in the 80's and 90's. They said themselves that all the original engineers that worked on their legendary products are either dead or retired.

They probably no longer have the tooling or the expertise for analogue electronics, hence why they've just collaborated with Studio Electronics for their latest synth project.

[AnX]

I dunno why they dont recreate the originals and add modern features. Full analogue with midi etc etc.

I have no doubt they would sell very well.

All these tiny digital units are a massive fail imo.

[wickfut]

I dunno why they dont recreate the originals and add modern features. Full analogue with midi etc etc.

I have no doubt they would sell very well.

All these tiny digital units are a massive fail imo.

Faithfully recreating the hardware will halt their money tree of releasing new software versions each time a new DSP method becomes available. Samples, VariOS, Aira, ACB