When creating an album you put you're best songs first?
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- KVRist
- 98 posts since 6 Feb, 2017
So I've got 9 song done. I would say 5 of them I a, really happy with and the rest is filler. Not bad, not great, but good enough to release. None of them sounds like filler. Just some I am more proud of then others. I have a few of the "good" tracks as the first tracks heard since I figure you want people to to become hooked to the music to want to listen to more. From there the songs are ordered by feel. A mix between drum beat and tempo to decide what is more closely related to what so it flows. So the short version is I have a chunk of them at the start and a few others spread out.
How do you order your song for an album?
How do you order your song for an album?
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fluffy_little_something fluffy_little_something https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=281847
- Banned
- 12880 posts since 5 Jun, 2012
Does that even matter in times of mp3 download sites?
It was important with cassettes I think.
It was important with cassettes I think.
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- KVRAF
- 35687 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany
Good question. I never really knew how an album's tracks are sorted. But, indeed, most of the times, the better tracks seem to be the first ones. I think it is about what fits together also, and, obviously, some concept albums are planned in terms of track order too. Considering all that, i would say there is no rule, and that it is purely a artist decision. Which doesn't help you at all in this case, i guess. 
- KVRAF
- 16850 posts since 8 Mar, 2005 from Utrecht, Holland
You don't want the flow of an album to go downhill. Otherwise people will stop after the second track.
First a good one, then The Hit, a filler and more good stuff.
First a good one, then The Hit, a filler and more good stuff.
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fluffy_little_something fluffy_little_something https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=281847
- Banned
- 12880 posts since 5 Jun, 2012
I think fillers are less acceptable today than they used to be when one had to buy an entire disc or cassette. With many albums one was already happy when every other song was good.
On vinyl records, denser songs requiring better audio quality were usually the first tracks on both sides, while less dense and demanding ballads were often the last tracks.
On vinyl records, denser songs requiring better audio quality were usually the first tracks on both sides, while less dense and demanding ballads were often the last tracks.
- KVRAF
- 2726 posts since 2 Jun, 2016
If you're making an album (and there are various arguments for/against the value of this concept nowadays, as suggested by fluffy above), then imho you want to think of the flow of the album from track to track in a way that best suggests an overall cohesive theme.
More practically, you would also benefit from making sure that the key in which one track starts co-operates well with the key of the track that just finished. For example, the Beatles would often have one track start a fifth up from the key in which the previous track ended. (This is even more useful if you're looking to mix / extend one track into another).
More practically, you would also benefit from making sure that the key in which one track starts co-operates well with the key of the track that just finished. For example, the Beatles would often have one track start a fifth up from the key in which the previous track ended. (This is even more useful if you're looking to mix / extend one track into another).
- KVRAF
- 8079 posts since 9 Jan, 2003 from Saint Louis MO
Unless you have a contract with a deadline or some other need to crank an album out quickly, if you have filler, why not hold it back and do something else instead?
Anyway, I think the first track should be attention-getting but not necessarily the best one. It's not quite the same as the rule for writing novels -- you can build slowly -- but it can't be boring.
Anyway, I think the first track should be attention-getting but not necessarily the best one. It's not quite the same as the rule for writing novels -- you can build slowly -- but it can't be boring.
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- KVRAF
- 16802 posts since 13 Oct, 2009
I'd put the one that sounds most like Friday Friday first, that shit was a runaway hit and you want be at least as popular as Rebecca Black.
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an-electric-heart an-electric-heart https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=182734
- KVRAF
- 2513 posts since 13 Jun, 2008 from Napier,New Zealand
I normally put the three or so tracks that most sum up "the album's sound" first, most of my songs are loud energetic songs, but I always do a couple of mellow ones, so normally the mellow ones go in the middle to act as a break, and at the end as a "cool down". My last album had two songs that I didn't think were that great, so yeah, they went towards the end, the rest just kind of fall into place... but really, it's subjective, you can do whatever you want.
- KVRian
- 719 posts since 17 Aug, 2015 from Finland
I generally order them in a way that makes sense contextually. Whatever sounds like the perfect opening track comes first, and the perfect closing track comes last. When it comes to the "middle" section, I like to order the tracks in a way so as to have a "transition" of sorts going. That's about it.
My solo projects:
Hekkräiser (experimental) | MFG38 (electronic/soundtrack) | The Santtu Pesonen Project (metal/prog)
Hekkräiser (experimental) | MFG38 (electronic/soundtrack) | The Santtu Pesonen Project (metal/prog)
- KVRAF
- 25849 posts since 20 Jan, 2008 from a star near where you are
When vinyl/cassettes ruled the world, everybody put their best song as the first on side 2.
- KVRAF
- 26033 posts since 20 Oct, 2007 from gonesville
I don't make things of very differing quality like that. That kind of reminds me of when albums were the single plus mostly filler. I don't buy albums expecting any of it to be weaker than the rest either.
I'm a composer, the ordering of things in an 'album' or anything is the composition.
I'm a composer, the ordering of things in an 'album' or anything is the composition.