One Synth Challenge #102: The blooo by Full Bucket Music (Meakaale wins!)

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Hey Dee, nice to see you back again! :)
Obviously you're experimenting with more complex harmony constructions and progressions. The mix also shows a greater spectrum and precision, I assume, except that much of it gets a bit lost in the muttering of virtually all melodic components. They go: "mumommom mo moumomo mo momumo mum momumo mh". :scared: ...it's like they were too shy to actually show what they've got. Like the little boy, who's an excellent dancer, but ashamed to show it, so he keeps his head down the whole time, staring at the floor. To avoid this, you should watch the overlaps between the chords: release times too long, notes held too long, reverb too long and deep.
Then, at around 2:10, you add this bell like sound that is horrible. It plays the wrong notes, destroying the great impression you've already made up to then. Either look at the notes carefully or take it out, because it's a ruthless killer. 8) :lol: ( :dog: )
At this point I broke up listening, because I had to write all this before the damage became too dramatic, you know. :shock:

Other than that, like the percussion, like the mix layers, minus the possibly muddying reverb. I mean, I have a lot of reverb in my piece, possibly a bit much, but I tried to make sure that the components all come through with their purpose. Most risky bits come towards the end where I shamelessly played melodies into the veil of reverb, but then I switch instruments to let one play the melody that comes through clearly before switching right back. I dislike leaving ambiguous stuff, if it seems to need clarity to bring across my idea.

Let's see if a quicker answer will come again and ask you to forget all of the above?! :tantrum: :lol:

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Dee.P.Tree wrote:Hello everybody. I am almost ready with submission of this month.

This is not a submission. Sharing this as a feedback request. I may correct/delete this entry for final submission.

I am not sure how it will translate to other listening environment because it's mixed through a cheap headphone, as always. :phones:

Therefore, mixing-mastering-sound design-arrangement feedback is very important to me. :help: :hug:

I have a couple of days to improve, if I hear something to correct.

Here it is:

https://soundcloud.com/dee-p-tree/imdee ... on/s-eOk5M
Hi!
Nice sound design, but I think there is too much detune on pads what starts from 1:10, they sound inharmonious. Also you have to revisit your chords progression - some chords is out of tonality.
As for mixing: pay attention at kick and bass, they are too loud, i think

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So sorry for late reply and for late uploading preset I use for those toms like sounds. I was quite busy. There are 10 perc presets in archive. The one I use is the one that sounds worst of them :D - DR_03 - one instance no layering. I had some problems with release on amp envelope (some kind of voice stealing even in max polyphony) so for final preset I set short release and I have fake tail with huge reverb. Then applied EQ for some tunning and then another reverb but just mid-high bands to improve tail even more.

BTW nice to see new people here. :tu:
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Very cool, Trojak, those are great! :tu:
Thanks for sharing! I totally dig the (SN_03) "snare", even it very well could be any percussion, but it has a pleasant complexity. But they all do, actually. Great job!

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Taron wrote:Hey Dee, nice to see you back again! :)
Obviously you're experimenting with more complex harmony constructions and progressions.
Thanks. I am always here. Just reading every OSC forum posts, without participating. Sometimes it is lack of time, sometime it is the synth which makes me not taking part here.

And as always, I love exotic scales, mostly Indian Raga based. So, it may sound like melodic/harmonic experimentation.

Some of the members and participants may find chords and its progression "odd". That may be due to choice of the "odd" scale.

Apologies if the progression doesn't sound familiar. But, don't forget to enjoy. :phones:
Taron wrote:The mix also shows a greater spectrum and precision, I assume, except that much of it gets a bit lost in the muttering of virtually all melodic components. They go: "mumommom mo moumomo mo momumo mum momumo mh". :scared: ...it's like they were too shy to actually show what they've got. Like the little boy, who's an excellent dancer, but ashamed to show it, so he keeps his head down the whole time, staring at the floor.
Thanks for a few words of appreciation and helping other participants to visualize the world of this musical piece.

The track is kind of "melodic techno" experiment. So, it stays around a melody, swingy/shuffling rhythm.

I'll try in this limited time to "open" it up.
Taron wrote: To avoid this, you should watch the overlaps between the chords: release times too long, notes held too long, reverb too long and deep.
Taron, sorry. If I correctly understood, These are some of the problem areas in sound design and mix which require correction.

Am I right? :?:
Taron wrote:Then, at around 2:10, you add this bell like sound that is horrible. It plays the wrong notes, destroying the great impression you've already made up to then. Either look at the notes carefully or take it out, because it's a ruthless killer. 8) :lol: ( :dog: )
At this point I broke up listening, because I had to write all this before the damage became too dramatic, you know. :shock:
That tinkle-bell like sound is bringing "that sparkling" dimension to this track. I think, It will be difficult to remove it.

Let me experiment, what I can correct about it. I'll surely look for out of scale notes or excessive detuning in sound design.

And, You stopped in middle? :dog: So, you missed the flute and some variation in melody of later part.
Taron wrote:
Other than that, like the percussion, like the mix layers, minus the possibly muddying reverb. I mean, I have a lot of reverb in my piece, possibly a bit much, but I tried to make sure that the components all come through with their purpose. Most risky bits come towards the end where I shamelessly played melodies into the veil of reverb, but then I switch instruments to let one play the melody that comes through clearly before switching right back. I dislike leaving ambiguous stuff, if it seems to need clarity to bring across my idea.

Let's see if a quicker answer will come again and ask you to forget all of the above?! :tantrum: :lol:
I'll try to correct excessive reverb.

Thanks a lot, Taron, for taking effort and giving constructive feedback. :hug:

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asi4 wrote: Hi!
Nice sound design, but I think there is too much detune on pads what starts from 1:10, they sound inharmonious. Also you have to revisit your chords progression - some chords is out of tonality.
As for mixing: pay attention at kick and bass, they are too loud, i think
Thanks, asi4 for listening and giving feedback.

I have noted your points.

Over Detuned Pad: I am revisting the referred fake organ like sound-the "sine" pad. Will correct excessive detuning, if it is there, to avoid its inharmonic texture.

About chords/its prohression: It is harmonic experimentation with exotic scale. It may sound bit "odd", but it has its own beauty, I think.

But, since you have mentioned, I am revisiting it again to identify any error in note placing in piano roll.

Kick and Bass Mix: If it is overpowered, I'll reduce it's level a bit till it does not get lost in the dense mix of this music piece.

Again, thanks for feedback, it will help this track. :hug:

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Dee.P.Tree wrote: And, You stopped in middle? :dog: So, you missed the flute and some variation in melody of later part.
Haha, yeah, I really expected more interesting things to come, but was afraid that the tinker bell would harm the impression too much for me to fully appreciate the rest. I wait until you've dealt with it.
You know I love sparkle in the music, because it really opens up everything nicely, but I always try to keep it really above the rest and manage it's balance so that it really adds to the rest instead of taking over. Most importantly: It must not clash or destroy the leading harmonies!

I'm always thrilled, when/if I can help, you know it! ;) :hug:

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A very interesting piece, DPT!

I like the diminished chord but I feel it's not supported by the bass line.

The bell sound is beautiful but it seems to not be tuned correctly. This would probably not be a big deal if it weren't so distinctively mixed and have that long decay.

In my cans the bass end is actually well balanced and I like the kind of dark mood the powerful low end gives together with the pads. But this is very dependent on listening equipment and preference so don't trust me :)

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Mehum, I feel the same way. I didn't quite have a problem with the drum and bass parts of the balance. But it likely is a matter of taste. Sometimes people try to understand a problem they can make out, but come to different conclusions, of course. A lack of clarity in a part of an arrangement can lead to different questions about it, while the real problem might just be in one single element.

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Dee.P.Tree wrote: About chords/its prohression: It is harmonic experimentation with exotic scale. It may sound bit "odd", but it has its own beauty, I think.
I think by itself it does, but to my ears there is a conflict with the underlying chords/basslines. I have listened to my share of Indian, Arabic and North African music, so I wouldn't say it is just because of my Western musical tastes.

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Thanks mehum, generaldiomedes and taron.

If there is a technical problem, I must revisit (without calling it "exotic").

I am looking for some hours to work on suggested corrections and enhancements.

I am still open to have feedback/criticism. Do not hesitate. I learn from each feedback.

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If somebody is interessted, here's most of my Patches I've used for my track.
Please be aware: 50% of the resulting sound is FX.
Please note: Some of the patches are only fun if you play them rather high or rather low...
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Yeah, that's why I'm always reluctant to post my patches, because they are really integrated into the mix and often are most suited for a certain range or playing style. Worst of all are drums, of course, because they really get their beauty from EQ and tight delays. I made myself a simply cross delay, where you set the delay time for a single delay and panning and EQ/filter. Almost all of my drums have that one on for the spatial qualities.

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Uploaded mine, it's called :

"Klaus Trophobic".

Made In FLStudio.

I used : 15 x The Blooo

Track FX :
1 x BlueARP
1 x LCF
1 x Attack Knob
3 x DD MonoDelay
1 x DD Delay
1 x Tal Filter II
2 x Fruity Reeverb 2.

Automation : Yes 1 x Amp decay.

Master FX :
1 x TDR Nova
2 x TDR VOS SlickEQ
1 x Fruity Limiter.

Official DR value: DR8.

Enjoy.

https://soundcloud.com/petervos/yeager-klaus-trophobic

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Yeagers track got me a flash back to the good old 90ties techno trax, new scene - tonite:

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