I wanted to sell my presets from synths-presets.com together with my Valhalla Plate plugin and posted it on KVR.
Then I received the following message from Synths-presets.com (Steve WZ):
„Distribution of copyrighted materials - Official Notice
Remove your post immediately
As stated on our website AND included in the downloads we sell:
We use the standard policy for digital media.
As digital media cannot be returned, once it is downloaded there are no refunds.
We always offer audio demos of all products.
We sell licenses to use our product by purchaser only.
They cannot be distributed or sold and we retain ownership and copyrights on all products.
Sent to legal council for monitoring“
Sorry, I really wasn´t aware of that and thought it was a very rude and excessiv reaction.
However, I removed the post immediately.
If you´re looking on the website of Synths-presets.com it is hidden very well in the terms and conditons. Not very customer-friendly.
For me personally I´m through with Synths-presets.com.
In this respect I ask myself wether presets from third part plugins are eligible for licensing at all?
And if so, you can never use the same preset without buying it from any licensor?
I think that would be really crazy and I can´t imagine this could be legal.
What do you think?
And is there anybody who knows about this legal situation under US American law?
Attention, Synths-presets.com does not allow license transfer!
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- KVRian
- 716 posts since 22 Nov, 2016 from Tokyo, Japan
Any digital products that do not have copy protection would have that clause. Presets, sample packs, kontakt instruments (non-kontakt player), etc.
When you sell the presets, there's no way to tell whether you really remove the presets from your computer or not. That's why they don't allow it.
When you sell the presets, there's no way to tell whether you really remove the presets from your computer or not. That's why they don't allow it.
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thecontrolcentre thecontrolcentre https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=76240 - KVRAF
- 37262 posts since 27 Jul, 2005 from Scottish Borders
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- KVRian
- 963 posts since 29 Sep, 2006
This is a standard policy.
Essentially, every seller on KVR has some kind of policy to protect their products.
The one is general for presets.
I have purchased several sound-sets from these guys.
The policy was always obviously placed in the instructions.
It is also listed on the website.
Furthermore, the quality of the product and support has been excellent always.
My recommendation would be to maybe next time, read the instructions or if in doubt, contact the seller if you have questions.
It just makes sense....
Essentially, every seller on KVR has some kind of policy to protect their products.
The one is general for presets.
I have purchased several sound-sets from these guys.
The policy was always obviously placed in the instructions.
It is also listed on the website.
Furthermore, the quality of the product and support has been excellent always.
My recommendation would be to maybe next time, read the instructions or if in doubt, contact the seller if you have questions.
It just makes sense....
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- KVRAF
- 16798 posts since 13 Oct, 2009
It's all been said, but I've never seen preset packs with a return/resale policy. You treat them like a cup of coffee.
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- KVRian
- 549 posts since 9 Aug, 2005 from USA
I just checked their web site.
The terms of service was easy to find.
It was listed on every page of the website, including all the products and the shopping cart.
Then I checked the account section and again, it was listed on every single page including the downloads.
So placing the blame on the seller for making the term's of service"...hidden very well"... and..."Not very customer-friendly.." is complete BS.
Why in the world would you make so much effort to bash a good companies name with such a lame post (several), and absolutely no effort to check into the TOS before selling their products on KVR.
Come on Arno2016 think
The terms of service was easy to find.
It was listed on every page of the website, including all the products and the shopping cart.
Then I checked the account section and again, it was listed on every single page including the downloads.
So placing the blame on the seller for making the term's of service"...hidden very well"... and..."Not very customer-friendly.." is complete BS.
Why in the world would you make so much effort to bash a good companies name with such a lame post (several), and absolutely no effort to check into the TOS before selling their products on KVR.
Come on Arno2016 think
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- KVRer
- 8 posts since 2 Apr, 2017
Yeah, StevieWZ from synth-presets.com was not very nice to you. Is this the way to treat its customers?
I think he´s only scared losing his business. I´m curious how it turns out.
I think he´s only scared losing his business. I´m curious how it turns out.
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- KVRian
- 928 posts since 3 Sep, 2011
Yea the t&c really could not be any easier to find. Honestly, OP seems like the one with the excessive reaction here.
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 498 posts since 10 Jan, 2016
As I see there are a lot of fanboys around here and it seems no one understands my real intention.
I don´t care if the policy of synths-presets.com is easy to find or not. A policy could be illegally, though.
(Moreover there´s not even a Name or Address of the company. Why is he in hiding?
Where I come from we call it dubious.)
However, I only want to find out wether licensing of third part presets is legally or not .
That´s all I want and that´s what I will do.
Next I will contact the plugin manufactures. Let´s see what they think about this topic!
So stay tuned!
I don´t care if the policy of synths-presets.com is easy to find or not. A policy could be illegally, though.
(Moreover there´s not even a Name or Address of the company. Why is he in hiding?
Where I come from we call it dubious.)
However, I only want to find out wether licensing of third part presets is legally or not .
That´s all I want and that´s what I will do.
Next I will contact the plugin manufactures. Let´s see what they think about this topic!
So stay tuned!
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- KVRian
- 928 posts since 3 Sep, 2011
I love how when someone doesn't agree with you, that automatically qualifies them to be 'fanboys' 
.. ignorance is bliss, except when it's not.
.. ignorance is bliss, except when it's not.-
- KVRian
- 549 posts since 9 Aug, 2005 from USA
Wow, fan boys...
Of course they have the right to protect their products, don't be daft.
Its pathetic you want to use this forum to be as destructive as possible to a respected company.
The questions that comes to mind are:
How old are you?
Did you actually buy the product to begin with?
Does mommy know you are on her computer?
From the MANY spelling error's in your post, I can only quote your words...
"What do you thing?"
Of course they have the right to protect their products, don't be daft.
Its pathetic you want to use this forum to be as destructive as possible to a respected company.
The questions that comes to mind are:
How old are you?
Did you actually buy the product to begin with?
Does mommy know you are on her computer?
From the MANY spelling error's in your post, I can only quote your words...
"What do you thing?"
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 498 posts since 10 Jan, 2016
Hi Firebird,
calm down, why you are so agressive and offense?
Is it your company or are you a friend of Steve?
("thing" is corrected and yes, english is not my native language, so what, I think it´s funny!)
However, I´m not destructive, I only want to clear a legal question and I do it for all of us.
That is my right and I will do it no matter what you say, OK!
If you are not sharing my opinion, its Ok but be factual. Otherwise stay away from this thread.
calm down, why you are so agressive and offense?
Is it your company or are you a friend of Steve?
("thing" is corrected and yes, english is not my native language, so what, I think it´s funny!)
However, I´m not destructive, I only want to clear a legal question and I do it for all of us.
That is my right and I will do it no matter what you say, OK!
If you are not sharing my opinion, its Ok but be factual. Otherwise stay away from this thread.
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- KVRist
- 274 posts since 6 Sep, 2004
Yea, I have to agree.ghettosynth wrote:It's all been said, but I've never seen preset packs with a return/resale policy. You treat them like a cup of coffee.
This is an odd thread.
Been buying presets, soft synths, samples, etc for more years then I can remember.
I am more then happy to support these designers/developers and respect the copyright.
Strange to see such a blatant attempt to discredit a developer for having a copyright.
Makes little sense.
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- KVRAF
- 8612 posts since 29 Sep, 2010 from Maui
I think the OP was upset that the dev threatened of resorting to legal measures,
when he could have simply said, I'm sorry, perhaps you are unaware of
our terms of service, but we do not allow transfers.
I don't know of the full exchange, but I would agree that that kind of response
would be counter productive, and offensive to a customer who truly was unaware
of the policy. Of course, a sterner warning would be warranted, if met with
resistance after the initial "friendly" exchange. "sent to legal counsel for monitoring"
is definitely "NOT" friendly.
TOS agreements are enforceable, but really, the only realistic recourse on the part of
the dev would be to deny service, and maybe get a cease and desist if the OP persisted.
Pursuing a civil case would cost a lot of (for all intents and purposes) irrecoverable money.
Even with the "shaky" click through acceptance of the terms on the part of the customer.
My 2 cents, (not a lawyer). But I did spend years working with them in mostly an oppositional
capacity. More often than not, "successfully" I might add.
-Cheers
when he could have simply said, I'm sorry, perhaps you are unaware of
our terms of service, but we do not allow transfers.
I don't know of the full exchange, but I would agree that that kind of response
would be counter productive, and offensive to a customer who truly was unaware
of the policy. Of course, a sterner warning would be warranted, if met with
resistance after the initial "friendly" exchange. "sent to legal counsel for monitoring"
is definitely "NOT" friendly.
TOS agreements are enforceable, but really, the only realistic recourse on the part of
the dev would be to deny service, and maybe get a cease and desist if the OP persisted.
Pursuing a civil case would cost a lot of (for all intents and purposes) irrecoverable money.
Even with the "shaky" click through acceptance of the terms on the part of the customer.
My 2 cents, (not a lawyer). But I did spend years working with them in mostly an oppositional
capacity. More often than not, "successfully" I might add.
-Cheers