Instruments Native To Your Host

[Teksonik]

OK, forget Orion, now lets hear/see some more views about Fruity and whatever other hosts have native synths

Come on brother Dave. You've been around long enough to know this thread would evolve into a host war despite your pleas to the contrary. The inevitable Orion-FL battle is sure to ensue. Nothing you say will change my mind about my host of choice and nothing I say will change yours about Orion. Let's just use what we love. As I've said before Rich is a master synth builder which is why I wish he would concentrate on instruments and leave the host/sequencer building to others.

Besides your comparision is somewhat misleading.Orion Plat is how much? What could you build for the same money with say EnergyXt and several vsti's adding up to the same money? Damnit there I've gone and fallen for the flame bait. Shit I'm outta here.

[CypherOne]

model e
vb-1
and some others I forget.

needless to say, I was made up

You get Model E with Cubasis? blimey, the version i got free with my soundcard 4 years ago didnt even have VST (i dont think so anyway)

Oh that's it, just embarass me in public

[TheWall]

TBH, I still don't see there can be much merit from this topic besides Orion. It's a totally different game for quite some other hosts. Say, we can build complex and wild instruments/effects with some simple VST or basic components in Tracktion/eXT/bidule(even FL) whilst it's not possible in Orion(I've read that Rich has finally added the support for MIDI plugins a while back, so it might be possible to a degree now too).

I honestly think it's not a good trend to encourage any host developer to put the focus on the bundled synth/fx. Generally speaking, it's a game for the big guys as they can afford to buy/license some packages(or spend some programmers' time) to include with the new upgrade(so their marketing dept can have more material to work on and they can charge you $ more easily). It's a game where we users are the losers.

Orion is an exception though. Apparently Rich loves to code synths/fx and he does a good job. But that's at the expense of putting less effort in improving Orion as a host. That's probably one of the reasons why Orion has the best native instruments/fx yet still have difficultiy expending its market share.

[wrench45us]

i suppose the proof would be if the Orion Native Instruments had the opportunity to step out as independent vsts.

[Kriminal]

TBH, I still don't see there can be much merit from this topic besides Orion.

Lucky its not your thread then.

If you bothered to read past the crap, i actually want some users views comments on the synths that are included with their host. I do not want the usual bollox about whats better than what.

[Rabid]

I'll repeat what has already been said about Sonar.

I hardly use any of the instruments. Many required upgrades to work properly. I did this with Tassman and DR-008. I stopped with VSampler and took it off of my machine.

The effects that came with Sonar 3P are great. They are more efficient and sound better than effects that come with most instruments, and thus I usually turn off the effects inside VSTi's in favor of Sonar effects.

Robert

[wrench45us]

likewise the only instrumenst that came with P-5 that get occasional use are Velocity -- drum sampler -- (but I prefer to use FLStudio an dhave bneen known to build kits from Velocity to FLS) and Cyclone -- a sampler cycler/looper

the DS864 is really a sub-par sample player

some folks like the PSyn rgc built synth -- somewhere between Triangle and Pentagon -- but I don't like that thick sound and I never use it

with FLStudio -- I'm sure there's more comprehensive users. I use the drum templates and very rarely one or the other very simple bass Boo Bass or the other one.
I bought the soundfont player days before sfz came out.
I boughht the cheaper beat slicer and occcasionally play with it, but more to get ideas than use it in a project.
I bought Slayer, but end up working more with Slayer 2 outside FLS.

So I think if people love their Orion native instrumensts the way Reason users love their Reason instruments and Orion is open to other vst and does sequencing, why it's like a sign sitting in the window of my neighborhood liquor store:
"Why shop anywhere else?"

really gives me plenty to think about every night on the drive home

[pHz]

... of the hosts i own the ones that have native instruments are ...

fl-studio
audiomulch
live
(tracktion and eXT dont have any (yet ... ))

... the mulch ones have already been mentioned - not your bread and butter stuff but cool nonetheless (i especially like the bubbleblower and (perhaps bizarrely) the drums contraption) ...

... TBH i dont use the fl-studio natives much (other than the built-in sampler) so would be loathe to comment really ...

... live4 has 2 new native instruments ...

impulse is a simple 8 pad sample based drum machine



and simpler is a simple sampler



both machines are pretty basic (ie - no keyranges or velocity splits) but are VERY efficient and have pretty comprehensive processing / mangling capabilities (especially when you start automating sample start points and loop lengths in simpler)

both instruments are further expressions of the live concept - simple and stable yet capable of more than they might at first appear

i find myself using them more and more (especially simpler)

slainte rob

[speccyteccy]

My my favourite synth:

3 Oscs (hint, hint!) each with coarse / fine tune and pan adjust
5 Waveforms + custom import + phase invert
Per osc stereo phase adjust
Per osc stereo detune
Amplitude modulation (not pulsewidth or frequency modulation unfortunately!)
4 Envelopes - vol, cutoff, resonance and pitch. Envelopes are graphical 5-stage envelopes, with tension adjustment.
5 LFO's - vol, cutoff, resonance pitch and pan. Three LFO shapes, start time and attack can be adjusted, and they can be sync'd to the host.
8 Filter types
Mono mode with portamento time adjust
Vol and KB tracking for pan, cutoff and resonance
"MIDI style" temo-sync'd delay with pan, cutoff, resonance and pitch adjust. Delay time of "zero" for extra fatness!
Powerful arpegiator with chord and scale banks

I learnt synthesis on this synth, and if I'm low on inspiration, I'll fire it up and try and make a new sound - often this leads to a whole new tune. I don't claim that the this is the best sounding synth - in fact it aliases terribly, but this isn't so noticeable once they're in the mix - in fact I'd say that it mixes in with other sounds easier than many other synths. It's also a very low resource synth. I've recently been using nothing else (not even fx) in tunes with some amazing results running 20 or so instances. Layering them up can give pads as good if not better than many expensive synths I've heard.

Yes, it's FL's 3xOsc!

[sluggo]

Project5



subtractive synth made by rcgaudio. pretty good but I wish there were more filter options. I wish psyn screamed a bit more a la impOSCar or polyiblit. Then it would get a lot more use. As it stands, my other synths (z3ta+, polyiblit, reaktor sessions) make psyn a bit redundant.





drum sampler by fxpansion. really nice drum sampler imo, but trumped in functionality by dr008. Individual sample manipulation is very easy to do (envelope, filter, reverse, etc). choke groups, 4 outs. Easier and nicer to use than dr008 imo. I still use dr008 because of it's greater flexibility but if you don't want to spend $$ for dr008, velocity works great imo. I have no complaints.





drum synth by muon I think. I don't really use it very much. gui doesn't grab me.





not bad sampler. imports sf2 and akai. hardly any samples availabe in native format. gui is a bit small for my monitor resolution. I'm happy with the envelope, filter and lfo options. I'm not a sampler expert, but I seem to get good results with it and I like the default Rhodes program.

Overall the Project5 synths are good. Sometimes I wonder if they're a bit wasted for me because I seem to already have a better drum sampler and a better subtractive synth that what it offers. If you were starting from scratch, it's a great set imo.

sluggo

[Rabid]

Yep, Project 5 probably has the best collection of synths for the packages I own. Like you, I have other synths that may be better. But this is a nice laptop package for making music on the road on in the reclyner.

Robert

[ModuLR]

Hmmm...

Tracktion User here...

The only native instrument is it's Sampler which is very basic at best. It's great in terms of it's ease of use, but it doesn't even have an ADSR.

that being said, I use the tracktion's rack filters to build my own instruments and manglers which ultimately is far more useful to me than any synth that has come packaged with OPlat (probably why I never upgraded beyond OPlat4).

[jens]

(tracktion and eXT dont have any (yet ... ))


slainte rob

No?

[pHz]

(tracktion and eXT dont have any (yet ... ))
slainte rob

No?

apart from the previously mentioned tracktion sampler no ...

... although energyXT is soon to get a pretty powerful native instrument as far as i can tell

slainte rob

[jens]

I was referring to Tracktion's sampler (although it is indeed pretty basic):

I know that you are the teach and you're a native english speaker and I am neither of the two but nonetheless I think my interpretation of 'don't have any' is rather accurate when I say that it probably usually means:
'don't have any'