Soft studio's why and which? P5, R, and FL

[nuffink]

this is a VST site!!!

No. It isn't.

[neverwhere2012]

you people are still looking at reason as if it was SUPPOSED to be a full featured DAW. it's a softsynth. and the one thing that i STILL find really nifty about reason is the patching and signal flow options. it's more of a modular synth than anything else in that light, and i've yet to find anything with that level of control in sound design.... outside of an actual modular synth (i know, synth edit, reaktor, blah blah blah, reason still hardly uses any CPU resources for synthesis).

i keep watching this thread though, and people keep coming back with "but reason doesn't use VST's!" "reason doesn't track audio!" "reason doesn't make me tea and crumpets in the afternoon!" "reason won't read me stories before i go to bed!" ... it's kind of ridiculous. if you want to use VST/VSTi's, then you obviously aren't going to buy Reason to begin with. you complain about it being amazing to people with no experience in computer music, and i believe that's propellerheads' entire marketing platform... is that REASON IS GEARED TOWARDS THE BEGINNER. it's an entry level platform that can be used for "professional" purposes later on. just getting kind of ridiculous to me all the bickering about this one program when you're comparing apples to automobiles. and besides, if i go buy a brand new softsynth, say MOTU MX4 or Arturia's MMV, or CS80V or the ImpOSCar, should i then be pissed because those don't use VST's and i have to load them into a host sequencer in order to process them with VST's? to me, that's really the way the anti-reason arguments come across.

"why isn't this plugin a host?"

"because it's a damn plugin"

[theshaggyfreak]

if you want to use VST/VSTi's, then you obviously aren't going to buy Reason to begin with. you complain about it being amazing to people with no experience in computer music, and i believe that's propellerheads' entire marketing platform... is that REASON IS GEARED TOWARDS THE BEGINNER.

Now, I wouldn't go that far. There are quite a few pros that use Reason. I think it all goes to a matter of preference. Strangely enough, though, this is the first forum I've come across with such a bad taste in their mouth towards Reason.

[theshaggyfreak]

This is one that's been going on in the Propellerhead forums for quite some time, and it's usually spawned by someone that is just there to bash the program or a user who hasn't fully explored what Reason can do.

There are a lot of points on why there isn't VST support in Reason, and I'll list some here that was brought up in the forums.

1. Reason was not made to be an audio tracker, and it was never meant to be.
2. While most programs are track based, Reason is module based. In this respect, the way VSTs work does not lend itself to this enviroment well.
3. Whether people like it or not, Reason is built on a 'closed' architecture for stability. Adding VST support or any other type of plugin support opens up a whole new can of worms in the way of support. It's not as easy as it seems.
4. Rewire. This is Propellerheads answer to the need of adding 3rd party support. For 3rd party programs that put it in their software it becomes a universal connection, and there aren't many limits (that I have dealt with) on it pending on how it is implemented.

I think many people expect more out of Reason than what it was designed for. It works for many users both pro and amature. The big problem with the whole DAW scene in general is that there isn't one major standard. There are many standards, and most people choose their software pending on what "standard" works best for them.

I don't think any of the programs suck that we're discussing in this post. Hell, I'm even changing my mind about FL a little bit. I think that what's more important than the tool is the person behind the controls. I think anyone can make great music with either tool if they sit down and work at it hard enough.

[sluggo]

Do you think I'd have registery problems if I copied dlls from other folders to my main plug folder?

Hi mike...

If you copy dll's you should not have registry issues.I do this alot. However keep track of what you have copied and you should be fine. No guarantees of course as your PC set up is almost certainly different to mine but it should be OK.

Copying vst dlls is not a problem. You can have duplicates if you want. The only thing I would caution is that you don't scan duplicates when using the vst-dx adapter, it'll just get too confusing. So if you scan multiple locations with vst-dx and you have duplicate dlls, make sure you don't activate the duplicate (I don't think it causes a problem, it's just confusing).

I'm not sure what other people do, but I'd recommend putting all your vst plugins under one folder. You can move your vst dlls without hassle either (maybe a few programs cause problems - I think I've read that moving spectrasonic's vsti dlls causes problems but I'm not sure). Copy the dll to a new location and rename the old one something like *.dlx so if there is a problem you can always rename it back

As for changing the default path for vst installation, this is easy. Use regedit to edit your registry. Search for "Steinberg", and somewhere you'll get a key that shows your vst plugin path to be (probably) c:\program files\Steinberg\Vstplugins . Just change this to whatever you want it to be. Only do this if you're comfortably with editing your registry though, I don't want to be responsible for your computer screwing up!

sluggo

[headquest]

There are quite a few pros that use Reason. I think it all goes to a matter of preference. Strangely enough, though, this is the first forum I've come across with such a bad taste in their mouth towards Reason.

Absolutely This was the main point I made further back in the thread. I use a mixture of different programmes for different tasks, including Reason. The others are all VST hosts (Tracktion, Live, Audition) and ReWire hosts too. The combination works for me.

What doesn't work for me, though, is the quite unpleasant attitude that some people display (on this forum - never encountered it elsewhere) - towards this one piece of software, and the musicians who use it.

It is like a personal vendetta of some kind! It's just a sad way to relate with other musicians. This is a site for musicians, right?

[theshaggyfreak]

It is like a personal vendetta of some kind! It's just a sad way to relate with other musicians. This is a site for musicians, right?

A lot of people like to believe they are the 'right' ones. I have friends who are die hard Mac fans, and theye refuse to believe that a PC in any way is better than a Mac. I'm a pretty open minded user when it comes to computers, and I've been using them for most of my life. I started getting into digital audio recording about 4 years ago, and I've spent a great deal of time playing with certain pieces of software. Sometimes that piece of software begins to fit you like a glove, and it's difficult to move to something else. Like I said, the person behind the machine is more important than the machine itself.

[headquest]

A lot of people like to believe they are the 'right' ones. I have friends who are die hard Mac fans, and theye refuse to believe that a PC in any way is better than a Mac. I'm a pretty open minded user when it comes to computers, and I've been using them for most of my life. I started getting into digital audio recording about 4 years ago, and I've spent a great deal of time playing with certain pieces of software. Sometimes that piece of software begins to fit you like a glove, and it's difficult to move to something else. Like I said, the person behind the machine is more important than the machine itself.

Yes - I couldn't agree with you more!

[stale bread]

hey no problem mike, glad to be of what little help i could be around all these big brains, I get so much
help here.

i think the most important things to remember with Live are, if you don't want loops turn of the loop functions, if you preffer a more traditional approach try out the arranger view,and if you want to do something that you think is probably to complex to make happen it's prob much easier than that due to Lives routing. anything can be routed just about into anything else including itself, also anything can be set up to just about trigger anything else so theres a way to work out what ever it may be.