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andy-cytomic wrote: Thanks Sean! The big muff is quite a different circuit, so they would be different plugins from the fuzz face. I'll add extra passive components to a circuit to cover all the variations between builds of the same pedal, and possibly even some extra diodes if it won't impact cpu too much. I want to support something not possible with an actual circuit, and that is to morph between sets of values, and automate this morphing. If the topology of the circuit changes clearly it won't be possible to morph between the circuits!
The morphing sounds intriguing, especially if driven by an LFO (via automation).
I plan to do a few more stomps, and I'll roll them all out at $29 a pop. Currently planned are a guv'nor, a RAT, and a big muff, but I also like the look of a bunch of the boss stuff like the FZ-2 which is all discrete components in the distortion section, since it will be ultra fun to screw around with the components and make all sorts of variations.
$29 for each model sounds like a great idea! I also like that you are thinking about the FZ-2, which is one of my favorite fuzz pedals. I was playing with my FZ-2, an early 80s RAT, my homemade BC108 Fuzz Face, and several Big Muff variants earlier today. I kinda have a thing for fuzz boxes. :D

The FZ-2, as you probably know, is very similar to the Univox Super Fuzz and Ibanez Standard Fuzz. The FZ-2 adds a few op-amps to the basic discrete Super Fuzz core, in order to get low and high boost/cut. The low boost is critical for getting that Electric Wizard sound.

One box you might want to track down is the Boss ROD-10. This is one of the 1/2 rack units from the 1980s. It is all analog (and is mostly discrete). The ROD-10 has 3 overdrive circuits, a distortion circuit (closer to the DS-1), and a fuzz circuit, where the fuzz is the Super Fuzz/Standard Fuzz topology. All 5 circuits are in parallel, so you can switch between them. There is also a 3-band EQ, with low boost/cut, high boost cut, and a sweepable mid boost/cut.

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valhallasound wrote: The morphing sounds intriguing, especially if driven by an LFO (via automation).

$29 for each model sounds like a great idea! I also like that you are thinking about the FZ-2, which is one of my favorite fuzz pedals. I was playing with my FZ-2, an early 80s RAT, my homemade BC108 Fuzz Face, and several Big Muff variants earlier today. I kinda have a thing for fuzz boxes. :D

The FZ-2, as you probably know, is very similar to the Univox Super Fuzz and Ibanez Standard Fuzz. The FZ-2 adds a few op-amps to the basic discrete Super Fuzz core, in order to get low and high boost/cut. The low boost is critical for getting that Electric Wizard sound.

One box you might want to track down is the Boss ROD-10. This is one of the 1/2 rack units from the 1980s. It is all analog (and is mostly discrete). The ROD-10 has 3 overdrive circuits, a distortion circuit (closer to the DS-1), and a fuzz circuit, where the fuzz is the Super Fuzz/Standard Fuzz topology. All 5 circuits are in parallel, so you can switch between them. There is also a 3-band EQ, with low boost/cut, high boost cut, and a sweepable mid boost/cut.
Well, good to know you're a fuzz connoisseur, I'll make sure to swing you a copy when it's done to kick the tyres with :)

Thanks for the extra info. I was chatting with Tony from Oakley Sound about stomps, and he has the ROD-10 which I really like the look of the schematic. I haven't heard one yet, but when I you mentioned the FZ-2 in this thread I had a look and it's pretty similar to some of the ROD-10 fuzzes, so that would be a good starting point. I'm doing a Boyle macro model in The Scream, so it's roughly the same cpu as modelling each of the fully discrete differential gain stages in the old Boss stuff, but it's more appealing for me to do a full component model like this than use macro models.

I'm not sure how useful the morphing stuff will be, but I figure I may as well push some new boundaries and make the most of what digital has to offer :)
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The Boss ROD10 is a neat little box indeed, and the 3 band eq (with parametric mids) is really helpfull.

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andy-cytomic wrote: I plan to do a few more stomps, and I'll roll them all out at $29 a pop. Currently planned are a guv'nor, a RAT, and a big muff, but I also like the look of a bunch of the boss stuff like the FZ-2 which is all discrete components in the distortion section, since it will be ultra fun to screw around with the components and make all sorts of variations.
In my 10+ years on KVR this is likely the single most exciting thing I've ever read. :love:

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I'm definitely in for anything Cytomic releases (and Valhalla) just by default, but the prospect of a good ITB Big Muff and Rat sounds fantastic. I've got an early 90's Rat and a BiYang FZ-10 (based on the Big Muff circuit) in my pedal board and ITB versions (with recall and less noise) would be sweet.

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Ended up here looking for an FZ-2 vst lol I think my Hyper Fuzz pedal may just be my most valuable piece of gear after seeing what folks are asking for them.

I've heard good things about the Behringer clone. The FZ-2 has 2 fuzz modes and a clean boost mode. My favorite pedal ever probably. The DOD Grunge (the version with the pa out) is another nasty one. It has a cab sim that sounds way better than the regular amp output, even plugged into an amp.

Both work great for recording direct (guitars, bass and synths), but it would be nice to be able to quickly use as an effect on whatever without having to route stuff in and out of the daw.
Just a touch of EQ and a tickle of compression

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andy-cytomic wrote: but I figure I may as well push some new boundaries and make the most of what digital has to offer :)
A remake of Camel Audio's "CM Fuzz/CamelCrusher" would be cool,
a simple gui with panels for distortion, filter, compressor, and wet/dry,
and buttons for phat and randomize. Daisy-chaining 2 or three of them
is great fun. To my knowledge, Apple has not released
any effects app (yet) based on Camel's code. That type
of simple interface with the newest boundaries under the hood,
would sell like hotcakes at a Lions Club breakfast :hyper:
Cheers

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glokraw wrote:
andy-cytomic wrote: but I figure I may as well push some new boundaries and make the most of what digital has to offer :)
A remake of Camel Audio's "CM Fuzz/CamelCrusher" would be cool,
a simple gui with panels for distortion, filter, compressor, and wet/dry,
and buttons for phat and randomize. Daisy-chaining 2 or three of them
is great fun. To my knowledge, Apple has not released
any effects app (yet) based on Camel's code. That type
of simple interface with the newest boundaries under the hood,
would sell like hotcakes at a Lions Club breakfast :hyper:
Cheers
10 year old dsp distortion just doesn't stand the test of time like I think some synths and even compressors have. I've used CamelCrusher a lot during the years but its sound has not aged well (IMO).

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glokraw wrote:
andy-cytomic wrote: but I figure I may as well push some new boundaries and make the most of what digital has to offer :)
A remake of Camel Audio's "CM Fuzz/CamelCrusher" would be cool,
a simple gui with panels for distortion, filter, compressor, and wet/dry,
and buttons for phat and randomize. Daisy-chaining 2 or three of them
is great fun. To my knowledge, Apple has not released
any effects app (yet) based on Camel's code. That type
of simple interface with the newest boundaries under the hood,
would sell like hotcakes at a Lions Club breakfast :hyper:
Cheers
Thanks for the suggestion! I’ve already started designing a plugin in this direction, don’t worry, I’ll cover everything Crusher and do but with Cytomic circuit solving drive :)
The Glue, The Drop, The Scream - www.cytomic.com

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valhallasound wrote:This might be a ridiculous thing for a plugin developer to say, but I'd recommend using analog hardware in this case. There are some great lower cost fuzzes out there:

The EHX Big Muffs tend to be reasonable (the new Green Russian is pretty awesome for $80).

I'm hearing great things about the DOD Caracosa. $99. I have one on order, that should arrive early next week.

Biyang FZ-10 Fuzz Star. A clone of a Ram's Head Big Muff, with true bypass switching, for under $40. https://www.amazon.com/Biyang-FZ10-Fz-1 ... B003OKXBB8

Behringer Super Fuzz SF300. Ok, I would normally never recommend anything Behringer. But this is a clone of the Boss FZ-2 Hyper Fuzz, which is an AMAZINGLY HUGE RIPPING FUZZ. The FZ-2 is based on the Univox Super Fuzz, which is an enormous fuzz from the late 60s (think Cramps, Mudhoney). The FZ-2 adds low and high EQ, so you can boost the bass to corpulent levels. Anyway, the FZ-2 and Super Fuzz both command ridiculous $$$ on the used market. The Behringer SF300 is under $30. Probably pretty cheaply made, but hey, it's cheap! https://www.amazon.com/Behringer-SF300- ... B000T9PE9E

Sean Costello

P.S. Today's earworm for me features the Boss FZ-2:

Thanks for planting the idea in my head Sean!!
I picked up a "real" Big Muff Pi (I got the green tone wicker one) off of eBay - and it does sing!! Even just using it with my audio interface in to S-Gear amp sims.
Plugins are great - but there is still a place for the real thing! ;-)
John Braner
http://johnbraner.bandcamp.com
http://www.soundclick.com/johnbraner
and all the major streaming/download sites.

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jbraner wrote: Thanks for planting the idea in my head Sean!!
I picked up a "real" Big Muff Pi (I got the green tone wicker one) off of eBay - and it does sing!! Even just using it with my audio interface in to S-Gear amp sims.
Plugins are great - but there is still a place for the real thing! ;-)
Hardware is also fun to use live since you have a gig ready box with dedicated knobs on! (and it's not so big a deal that it's only mono)
The Glue, The Drop, The Scream - www.cytomic.com

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jbuonacc wrote:
andy-cytomic wrote:... In the future I'll be happy to model more obscure stuff as well ...
how about the Boss Hyper Fuzz FZ-2?
^^ posted back in January 2017. http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 4#p6687914
andy-cytomic wrote:... I plan to do a few more stomps, and I'll roll them all out at $29 a pop. Currently planned are a guv'nor, a RAT, and a big muff, but I also like the look of a bunch of the boss stuff like the FZ-2 which is all discrete components in the distortion section, since it will be ultra fun to screw around with the components and make all sorts of variations.
:o oh wow, that's great to hear!

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andy-cytomic wrote:
jbraner wrote: Thanks for planting the idea in my head Sean!!
I picked up a "real" Big Muff Pi (I got the green tone wicker one) off of eBay - and it does sing!! Even just using it with my audio interface in to S-Gear amp sims.
Plugins are great - but there is still a place for the real thing! ;-)
Hardware is also fun to use live since you have a gig ready box with dedicated knobs on! (and it's not so big a deal that it's only mono)
True that! :wink:
John Braner
http://johnbraner.bandcamp.com
http://www.soundclick.com/johnbraner
and all the major streaming/download sites.

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steinberg electro fuzz was the shit,but im on flstudio now,and the newer steinberg range does not include it anymore :(

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