Roland Cloud

[JJ_Jettflow]

I imagine some electro laptop megastar getting shut down in the middle of the concert "Oops sorry i forgot to connect my laptop to internet, can anyone share wifi on its smartphone? no?, hmm well concert cancelled."

Well if he didn't hook up to the internet and make sure it had been authorized before up to 6 days before his concert, he would have no one to blame but himself. Just as much as he said, "does anyone have a laptop charger, I forgot mine at home and my battery is just about dead. Anyone have a charger? No? Sorry concert canceled."

[T-CM11]

"does anyone have a laptop charger, I forgot mine at home and my battery is just about dead. Anyone have a charger? No? Sorry concert canceled."

How about: "does anyone have a laptop - brand X, I forgot mine at home and I just have its charger. Anyone have a laptop? ....And maybe some music software on it? No? Sorry concert canceled."

[T-CM11]

Still not sure what all the hate is for the Roland Cloud.

So do you really not understand? Or do you and are you just saying that people with a different opinion than your own are wrong?
If it's the former; let me give one possible explanation. Some people hate DRM; they want to buy a certain product, not rent it. And ok, after a year of Roland Cloud you can pick a plugin to "own". But I'm sure it'll still contain online activation DRM. You'll own it, but only as long as Roland's activation servers are present. At some unknown point in the future, it'll be impossible to install and use it.

Me, I avoid all online activation protected plugins. And if I didn't, I think the Roland plugins are too expensive (one year of cloud subscription for one).
Btw. Are they all still low resolution (both GUI and 7 bit mouse control)?

[JJ_Jettflow]

Still not sure what all the hate is for the Roland Cloud.

So do you really not understand? Or do you and are you just saying that people with a different opinion than your own are wrong?
If it's the former; let me give one possible explanation. Some people hate DRM; they want to buy a certain product, not rent it. And ok, after a year of Roland Cloud you can pick a plugin to "own". But I'm sure it'll still contain online activation DRM. You'll own it, but only as long as Roland's activation servers are present. At some unknown point in the future, it'll be impossible to install and use it.

Me, I avoid all online activation protected plugins. And if I didn't, I think the Roland plugins are too expensive (one year of cloud subscription for one).
Btw. Are they all still low resolution (both GUI and 7 bit mouse control)?

I really do not understand and I do not know how you twist that into me thinking someone is wrong for not liking the same thing as I do.

As for your theory that it may still have some DRM online activation tied to it after the one year, I decided the best way to find that answer was to go on to FB Roland Cloud page and ask. When they reply, I will post it here.

As for the price, that is completely subjective. Serum is approx $200 US and Omnishpere is $500 US and lots of people own them and feel they were worth the price.

[ENV1]

I am not sure what the difference is if you spend $20 and get the D50 or the Jupiter 8 or the Juno 106 after one year, as well as access to over 17 more titles, or pay between $100 to $500 outright for one title and no access to any others?

I cant speak for others, but for me the foremost issue is not with the price but with what amounts to a deliberately incorporated self-destruct mechanism which will kick in after 7 days no matter what. At best inconvenient-but-fine as long as it works, a lot of trouble and regrets when it blows up in your face and all you get is an earful of silence, payed or not.

Its a bit like having to live with an undisposable timebomb under your house. As long as the EOD officer gets there in time to input the weekly code that resets the clock nobody will get hurt. But if his bus is late and he doesnt make it in time youve had it, and at least to me thats a rather unsettling thought to live with. After all we all know how notoriously unreliable public transportation is these days.

(In other words trouble isnt likely to be a matter of 'if' but more of 'when' and 'how frequently' since no online based service is ever 100% problem-free 100% of the time. And if it cant be fixed within 7 days, hard luck. Your synths will be great at producing vintage Roland silence and thats about it. In my view a problem which can be avoided through previsional decisionmaking, i.e. using other stuff.)

[T-CM11]

I really do not understand and I do not know how you twist that into me thinking someone is wrong for not liking the same thing as I do.

I was not twisting, I was asking.
Ok, your not understanding was genuine then, but plenty of people will phrase their disagreement as "I don't understand".

[T-CM11]

I cant speak for others, but for me the foremost issue is not with the price but with what amounts to a deliberately incorporated self-destruct mechanism which will kick in after 7 days no matter what. At best inconvenient-but-fine as long as it works, a lot of trouble and regrets when it blows up in your face and all you get is an earful of silence, payed or not.

Its a bit like having to live with an undisposable timebomb under your house. As long as the EOD officer gets there in time to input the weekly code that resets the clock nobody will get hurt. But if his bus is late and he doesnt make it in time youve had it, and at least to me thats a rather unsettling thought to live with. After all we all know how notoriously unreliable public transportation is these days.

(In other words trouble isnt likely to be a matter of 'if' but more of 'when' and 'how frequently' since no online based service is ever 100% problem-free 100% of the time. And if it cant be fixed within 7 days, hard luck. Your synths will be great at producing vintage Roland silence and thats about it. In my view a problem which can be avoided through previsional decisionmaking, i.e. using other stuff.)

Here's another point of view:
Even if no interest is involved, I avoid fixed monthly costs as much as possible. If I want something, I save up for it, then buy it (unless it's impossible, like buying a house).

[ENV1]

Here's another point of view:
Even if no interest is involved, I avoid fixed monthly costs as much as possible. If I want something, I save up for it, then buy it (unless it's impossible, like buying a house).

Sound strategy.

No argument from me.

[T-CM11]

I'm sure a professional musician or studio with a high enough income doesn't see that as an issue. But afaik Roland isn't marketing its Cloud only (or mostly) at that target group.

The company I work for uses certain Adobe Cloud products. It's a small company - buying e.g. Illustrator or Indesign used to be an easier decision than getting another subscription...
A certain version of the software was used for many years. And if a customer sent a file made with a newer version, we just asked them to downsave it.

[JJ_Jettflow]

I am not sure what the difference is if you spend $20 and get the D50 or the Jupiter 8 or the Juno 106 after one year, as well as access to over 17 more titles, or pay between $100 to $500 outright for one title and no access to any others?

I cant speak for others, but for me the foremost issue is not with the price but with what amounts to a deliberately incorporated self-destruct mechanism which will kick in after 7 days no matter what. At best inconvenient-but-fine as long as it works, a lot of trouble and regrets when it blows up in your face and all you get is an earful of silence, payed or not.

Its a bit like having to live with an undisposable timebomb under your house. As long as the EOD officer gets there in time to input the weekly code that resets the clock nobody will get hurt. But if his bus is late and he doesnt make it in time youve had it, and at least to me thats a rather unsettling thought to live with. After all we all know how notoriously unreliable public transportation is these days.

(In other words trouble isnt likely to be a matter of 'if' but more of 'when' and 'how frequently' since no online based service is ever 100% problem-free 100% of the time. And if it cant be fixed within 7 days, hard luck. Your synths will be great at producing vintage Roland silence and thats about it. In my view a problem which can be avoided through previsional decisionmaking, i.e. using other stuff.)

Well, I guess there is no pleasing some people. The first complaint I heard was that "no rent to own" so Roland added one free plugin a year and then the new complaint was "that's too expensive for one plugin" even though there are many on the market for that price or more. The next complaint was "I gig where there is no WiFi" or "I do not want to be tied to the internet 24/7" so they set up a system where you have to be on once a week and the new complaint is "every week?" I am sure if they had made it once a year someone would have to say "hook my laptop to the net once a year to use this? Stuff your cloud up your as*hole Roland!"

Well, an iLok can be thought of as a timebomb as well. So can a USB flash drive. So can your hard drive. At any time, whether you have to check on the net or not, any of these can fail and leave you without a hope. All these scenarios could be not "if" but "when" and "how" as well. Maybe we should go back to acoustic instruments..oh wait, guitars have strings that break.

[Caine123]

I am not sure what the difference is if you spend $20 and get the D50 or the Jupiter 8 or the Juno 106 after one year, as well as access to over 17 more titles, or pay between $100 to $500 outright for one title and no access to any others?

I cant speak for others, but for me the foremost issue is not with the price but with what amounts to a deliberately incorporated self-destruct mechanism which will kick in after 7 days no matter what. At best inconvenient-but-fine as long as it works, a lot of trouble and regrets when it blows up in your face and all you get is an earful of silence, payed or not.

Its a bit like having to live with an undisposable timebomb under your house. As long as the EOD officer gets there in time to input the weekly code that resets the clock nobody will get hurt. But if his bus is late and he doesnt make it in time youve had it, and at least to me thats a rather unsettling thought to live with. After all we all know how notoriously unreliable public transportation is these days.

(In other words trouble isnt likely to be a matter of 'if' but more of 'when' and 'how frequently' since no online based service is ever 100% problem-free 100% of the time. And if it cant be fixed within 7 days, hard luck. Your synths will be great at producing vintage Roland silence and thats about it. In my view a problem which can be avoided through previsional decisionmaking, i.e. using other stuff.)

Well, I guess there is no pleasing some people. The first complaint I heard was that "no rent to own" so Roland added one free plugin a year and then the new complaint was "that's too expensive for one plugin" even though there are many on the market for that price or more. The next complaint was "I gig where there is no WiFi" or "I do not want to be tied to the internet 24/7" so they set up a system where you have to be on once a week and the new complaint is "every week?" I am sure if they had made it once a year someone would have to say "hook my laptop to the net once a year to use this? Stuff your cloud up your as*hole Roland!"

Well, an iLok can be thought of as a timebomb as well. So can a USB flash drive. So can your hard drive. At any time, whether you have to check on the net or not, any of these can fail and leave you without a hope. All these scenarios could be not "if" but "when" and "how" as well. Maybe we should go back to acoustic instruments..oh wait, guitars have strings that break.

again. Where do they say once a week. Afaik it is optional

[JJ_Jettflow]

again. Where do they say once a week. Afaik it is optional

HERE

https://www.rolandcloud.com/news/perfor ... pdate_news

[T-CM11]

So can your hard drive.

If you're talking about hard drive linked DRM, then yes it's a ticking timb bomb. If you're thinking about general hard drive failure - no it isn't, necessarily. Redundancy techniques are no big secret; up to you to implement them!
Some DRM techniques are worse than others. What are you saying? Everybody should just like it because Roland made an effort to make their DRM "less severe"?
Maybe there's one thing in favour of the Cloud thing - At least it's clear about you renting the software for a yet unknown time period. (vs. the buy the full product but only be able to use it as long as online activation works)

[beely]

An authorisation check once a week may be somewhat annoying (particularly if the authorisation server is down) but it's a *hell* of a lot less annoying than *every time you instantiate a plugin*...

[JJ_Jettflow]

So can your hard drive.

If you're talking about hard drive linked DRM, then yes it's a ticking timb bomb. If you're thinking about general hard drive failure - no it isn't, necessarily. Redundancy techniques are no big secret; up to you to implement them!
Some DRM techniques are worse than others. What are you saying? Everybody should just like it because Roland made an effort to make their DRM "less severe"?
Maybe there's one thing in favour of the Cloud thing - At least it's clear about you renting the software for a yet unknown time period. (vs. the buy the full product but only be able to use it as long as online activation works)

It is not for me to tell people what they should like or not like nor am I saying such. But what I am saying is that there does not appear to be this much negativity about Slate's sub or East-West's sub or Eventide or Kush, even though none of them offer you anything back in return for you subscribing for a full year...except more payments. I do not ever recall anyone saying "Slate should stuff his subscription up his arse!" Though I could be wrong about that, I have personally never come across it. And then when Roland changes to adapt to the requests, just more complaints.

If you don't like it, I get that. Great, now let's move on. But the continual complaints come off more like trolling/trashing than any real legitimate reasons...especially when Roland is making an effort to address many of these "concerns".