Roland Cloud

[ENV1]

Well, I guess there is no pleasing some people.

Not sure what you mean.

Personally i find serial numbers very pleasing because i know once i have it i can use my stuff whenever i want to without being dependent on a 3rd party service which may or may not be available when i need it.

The first complaint I heard was that "no rent to own" so Roland added one free plugin a year and then the new complaint was "that's too expensive for one plugin" even though there are many on the market for that price or more. The next complaint was "I gig where there is no WiFi" or "I do not want to be tied to the internet 24/7" so they set up a system where you have to be on once a week and the new complaint is "every week?" I am sure if they had made it once a year someone would have to say "hook my laptop to the net once a year to use this? Stuff your cloud up your as*hole Roland!"

So what does this tell us?

Maybe 'generally unpopular' would be one way to describe it?

(I dont know, i only spoke for myself.)

Well, an iLok can be thought of as a timebomb as well. So can a USB flash drive. So can your hard drive. At any time, whether you have to check on the net or not, any of these can fail and leave you without a hope. All these scenarios could be not "if" but "when" and "how" as well. Maybe we should go back to acoustic instruments..oh wait, guitars have strings that break.

Be serious. None of these things will deliberately render themselves unusable every 7 days unless the manufacturer allots you new use-time.

[T-CM11]

It is not for me to tell people what they should like or not like nor am I saying such. But what I am saying is that there does not appear to be this much negativity about Slate's sub or East-West's sub or Eventide or Kush, even though none of them offer you anything back in return for you subscribing for a full year...except more payments. I do not ever recall anyone saying "Slate should stuff his subscription up his arse!" Though I could be wrong about that, I have personally never come across it. And then when Roland changes to adapt to the requests, just more complaints.

I read a lot about people disliking the latest US president - but a lot less about... say, the president of Mozambique... Why is that do you think?

[Caine123]

again. Where do they say once a week. Afaik it is optional

HERE

https://www.rolandcloud.com/news/perfor ... pdate_news

"As Roland Cloud is an online service, you’ll still need to connect to receive updates, patches, and new stuff, but now it’s only required for authentication purposes once a week and only when you choose to."

doesnt it mean you DONT have to? only if you want patches etc.? what means AND ONLY WHEN YOU CHOOSE TO else?

[T-CM11]

Maybe it's a Japanese thing... you need to connect once a week to authenticate and thus be able to use the plugin. But! You can also choose to not authenticate weekly... and just not use your plugin in the meantime.

Or maybe it means... you can choose freely which day of the week you want to connect, on a weekly basis. So not within a relative 7 day frame but once every monday-sunday week?

[T-CM11]

doesnt it mean you DONT have to?

Sure, it's protected by weekly online activation -- but it's not... if you don't like that kind of thing.

[ENV1]

An authorisation check once a week may be somewhat annoying (particularly if the authorisation server is down) but it's a *hell* of a lot less annoying than *every time you instantiate a plugin*...

The main problem in my view is this:

- You are required to have an internet connection

- You are required to have one every 7 days no matter what

- If for any reason that requirement can not be met you are very much screwed and helpless


Its better than online-all-the-time, that much can be said.

But its still far from what i would call 'good'.

Anything goes wrong and youll grind to a halt because nothing goes.

Bad for the bloodpressure and extremely detrimental to the nerves.

[JJ_Jettflow]

again. Where do they say once a week. Afaik it is optional

HERE

https://www.rolandcloud.com/news/perfor ... pdate_news

"As Roland Cloud is an online service, you’ll still need to connect to receive updates, patches, and new stuff, but now it’s only required for authentication purposes once a week and only when you choose to."

doesnt it mean you DONT have to? only if you want patches etc.? what means AND ONLY WHEN YOU CHOOSE TO else?

I think they mean "when you choose to" as being the day and time. You not like "you must be online every Sunday between 3:17 and 3:19 GMT or you lose this week's activation"

[ENV1]

doesnt it mean you DONT have to? only if you want patches etc.? what means AND ONLY WHEN YOU CHOOSE TO else?

They probably mean that you can renew whenever it is convenient, i.e. anytime you want within a 7 day period.

(Rather than having to be online all the time as it was apparently the case prior to this change.)

At least thats how i read it.

[JJ_Jettflow]

It is not for me to tell people what they should like or not like nor am I saying such. But what I am saying is that there does not appear to be this much negativity about Slate's sub or East-West's sub or Eventide or Kush, even though none of them offer you anything back in return for you subscribing for a full year...except more payments. I do not ever recall anyone saying "Slate should stuff his subscription up his arse!" Though I could be wrong about that, I have personally never come across it. And then when Roland changes to adapt to the requests, just more complaints.

I read a lot about people disliking the latest US president - but a lot less about... say, the president of Mozambique... Why is that do you think?

I don't see how that applies to this situation and I am not interested in talking politics here. Roland Cloud is the ONLY sub service to offer you a free plug every 12 months of continuous payments. None of the others do this and Roland started the Loyalty Program because of consumer feedback. They are listening to the customer but they got very little in the way of positive comments for this; instead more trash talk and more complaints...Why is that do you think?

[Examigan]

Release them all separately for $50-100 a piece and be done with it. I am sure they will make a decent amount of cash from that.

[pdxindy]

I don't see how that applies to this situation and I am not interested in talking politics here. Roland Cloud is the ONLY sub service to offer you a free plug every 12 months of continuous payments. None of the others do this and Roland started the Loyalty Program because of consumer feedback. They are listening to the customer but they got very little in the way of positive comments for this; instead more trash talk and more complaints...Why is that do you think?

cause no matter how you dress it up, the subscription model sucks sucks sucks...

[T-CM11]

Why is that do you think?

Everybody knows... but you!

[ENV1]

Release them all separately for $50-100 a piece and be done with it. I am sure they will make a decent amount of cash from that.

Their old protection sucks too, but from the perspective of Roland. Their so-called 'Activator' is so badly programmed that it literally self-circumvents itself when you do a certain thing; i still have the demos of all the pre-Juno/Jupiter synths sitting in a sandboxie sandbox and even today (i just checked) they all work without any restrictions despite the fact that they are all just demos (i.e. without licenses) and all of them say 'Status: Non-Activated' and 'Trial Expires: 2015/09/20'.

Back then i was curious just how long this would go on before the Authorizer finally catches on and realizes that it had screwed up. So i didnt delete the sandbox and just kept the whole thing under observation. Now its been over 2 years and no end in sight, so i guess its safe to say that these demos will most likely run in unrestricted mode forever. (No, i am not using them, i never took them out of the sandbox.)

And no, i am not talking about applying any hacks or cracks or anything of that sort either. The Activator was (and still is) more than happy to forego any demo restrictions all by itself. Once the trigger was tripped it simply got the bright idea that an Activator worthy of its name should be doing just that, activate stuff, and thats exactly what its been doing ever since. Needless to say that this is quite obviously a Class A severe bug in the pre-cloud protection. (Which i obviously wont divulge so dont send any PMs.)

Anyway, since Roland will probably not go back to that protection anyway the problem has kinda solved itself for them. Otherwise they had better reworked that thing because the same thing that happened here could have happened on anyones computer if the user happened to trip the trigger. And im sure sooner or later someone would have talked.

[JJ_Jettflow]

I don't see how that applies to this situation and I am not interested in talking politics here. Roland Cloud is the ONLY sub service to offer you a free plug every 12 months of continuous payments. None of the others do this and Roland started the Loyalty Program because of consumer feedback. They are listening to the customer but they got very little in the way of positive comments for this; instead more trash talk and more complaints...Why is that do you think?

cause no matter how you dress it up, the subscription model sucks sucks sucks...

That's just your personal opinion. And maybe you could expand on it more than it "sucks sucks sucks."

[JJ_Jettflow]

Why is that do you think?

Everybody knows... but you!

That's not really an answer.