Roland Cloud

[JJ_Jettflow]

I honestly do not see the difference if I put $20 a month away for a year to buy the plug I want or give Roland $20 month for the year...oh yeah the difference is I get to use the plug the entire year I am saving for it.

If they charged $240 for one of these plugins people would laugh at them and say no f-in way. They are no where near the overall quality of other plugins that cost considerably less.

You can buy both The Legend and RePro-1/5 for a chunk less than just 1 Roland plugin.

The only way this appears to be a decent deal is because you get all of them to use (which masks the very high cost)... but then you will be paying $20+ (They can raise the price whenever they want) per month for the next 10 years. Which makes it, in effect, a subscription.

Quality is subjective. The same as the tone. The same as the value for your money. That's all ujp to the individual to decide. Legend? Yeah, I owned it...and sold a month after I start RC. To me, IMO, the tonal character of the RC beats anything out there...including U-he (which I owned 3 products by), by miles. The only thing that hangs with the Roland stuff is Omnisphere, tonal quality-wise. So for me, $20 month to use stuff this good, is a real value. But then again, that is my opinion.

I happen to find they function fine and since I started the sub, they have reduced the CPU load, upgraded the GUI, fixed the preset save feature, fixed bugs that were causing crashes and added MIDI learn.

Whatever, you want to call it a subscription or whatever.

[JJ_Jettflow]

I will repeat myself.

No need. Not everyone thinks the same, and regardless of how you try to frame it (rent to own etc) monthly payments are not what some people want.

I know people who've never had a mortgage. They rented, saved for years, and then bought a house with cash. Some people are simply more comfortable with that way of thinking. There's no "they're wrong" or "they're right" in it. It's about how you see the world, what's most convenient, and what makes you comfortable.

If there is no wrong or right then how come the constant whining about Roland Cloud? Either you like the sub model or you don't. Why continue to bash the company? Even when Roland makes changes to it to make it a better deal, the bellyaching still goes on, mostly by people who will never sign up. Why continue to talk shit about it if have no intention of joining? It is of no concern to you.

[JJ_Jettflow]

I honestly do not see the difference if I put $20 a month away for a year to buy the plug I want or give Roland $20 month for the year...oh yeah the difference is I get to use the plug the entire year I am saving for it.

The difference is that not everyone thinks the same way. Amazing, I know..

Or the difference is some people just like to bitch . Amazing, I know.

[JJ_Jettflow]

I don't see how that applies to this situation and I am not interested in talking politics here. Roland Cloud is the ONLY sub service to offer you a free plug every 12 months of continuous payments. None of the others do this and Roland started the Loyalty Program because of consumer feedback. They are listening to the customer but they got very little in the way of positive comments for this; instead more trash talk and more complaints...Why is that do you think?

cause no matter how you dress it up, the subscription model sucks sucks sucks...

That's just your personal opinion. And maybe you could expand on it more than it "sucks sucks sucks."

No need to expand... you already know the arguments, you just want to argue.

Subscription sucks and yes, it is a subscription model.

Yeah, no need to expand...you are just a Roland basher and want to continue your obviously baseless bashing.

[SLiC]

I may have missed this in all the debate, but does the plug In You own after 12 months become NFR and what is the Copy protection on the one you own (still weekly phone home).

I wonder if Roland have thought this through, if you are going to have some plug in becoming owned and therefore outside of the subscription model, why not just give us the option to buy them!

Details about the Roland Cloud YOURS loyalty program are found here:
https://www.rolandcloud.com/read-more/y ... ty-program

https://www.rolandcloud.com/faq

FWIW if you used the free 30 days trial this seems to count for the 12 months too so to own a plugin you actiually have to pay for 11 months, not 12.

As with the free trial i currently collected 5 months at the moment i do not know if this will work like promised or not. I would have to complete the 12 months first.
FWIW here in Germany the credit card is charged using the current USD/Euro conversion rate without extra fees or taxes.

It doesn't say if up can sell the instrument you own, so I assume it will be tied to the weekly phone home protection and that it will be NFR.

If its NFR its not YOURS in my opinion.

If it can be sold I look forward to buying cheap licences for my System 1m as people who continue to subscribe wont need the no licence.....

Roland System 1/System 1m and I assume System 8 owners were ripped off, we were promised we could 'buy' additional plug ins and Roland even set up a content store (remember that? Another idea that lasted about 18 months before being scrapped), I think it is terribly bad practice to force people to try and subscribe or not have access to plug ins for there plug out hardware.

[JJ_Jettflow]

Roland Cloud is the ONLY sub service to offer you a free plug every 12 months of continuous payments. None of the others do this and Roland started the Loyalty Program because of consumer feedback. They are listening to the customer but they got very little in the way of positive comments for this; instead more trash talk and more complaints...Why is that do you think?

Even if we do not call it a subscription, it is not really better. You write of the other plugin providers, which give you nothing after a certain time, with a subscription. And why we are criticizing only rolandcloud ? Quite simply: The others give at least the choice to buy it immediately. As long as this is not offered at rolandcloud, it does not matter what rolandcloud makes for great offers, it will always complain. I do not mind if someone likes a subscription and wants to use it, but I personally would like to have the opportunity to buy it immediately.
And no, rolandcloud does not exactly quite listen to the users feedback, because if they really would, they would also just offer the purchase method. But do not do it, why? I think we all know the answer.
All other providers have both methods, but rolandcloud does not. And because I do not like this business model, I will not make a subscription or "rent-to-own".

They have stated that they are looking into a system for paying up front so you can pay right away and have the plug you want, just like they implemented the loyalty program and now made it possible for the customer not to be tethered to the internet. But I am sure they will be loads of complaints with how they do it, how much it costs, blah, blah, blah. Like I said, some people e seem to enjoy bitching for nothing.

[JJ_Jettflow]

Roland System 1/System 1m and I assume System 8 owners were ripped off, we were promised we could 'buy' additional plug ins and Roland even set up a content store (remember that? Another idea that lasted about 18 months before being scrapped), I think it is terribly bad practice to force people to try and subscribe or not have access to plug ins for there plug out hardware.

And you are 1000% right. Because you own the hardware, they should very well make it available for purchase to you. But write them about it on their FB page so they will have to publicly tell you their intentions. I do know they said they are working out something for those with hardware but what it is I do not know.

At any rate, you are best to let them know this on a regular basis on FB., THis is how the other issues got action.

[T-CM11]

But I am sure they will be loads of complaints with how they do it, how much it costs, blah, blah, blah. Like I said, some people e seem to enjoy bitching for nothing.

Because everybody has to agree with you. And if not, they're just bitching or bashing! That's obvious now, mr. "I honestly don't understand"..

[chk071]

There's lots of bitching and bashing here though.

[Cinebient]

I would buy their stuff as plug-in....just saying

[JJ_Jettflow]

Roland System 1/System 1m and I assume System 8 owners were ripped off, we were promised we could 'buy' additional plug ins and Roland even set up a content store (remember that? Another idea that lasted about 18 months before being scrapped), I think it is terribly bad practice to force people to try and subscribe or not have access to plug ins for there plug out hardware.

My poost in Roland Cloud's FB bpage regarding this:

As I continue my discussion on KVR, an important issue was raised concerning the availability for the plug-outs for those who own hardware like the System 1/8. I was not aware that these people purchased hardware under the impression that the plug-outs would be available to them as a feature which could have swayed their decision to purchase the hardware. And now, they no longer have that option and that does not seem right. Not at all. I have owned a lot of Roland gear in the day. I started with AP-2 in '78, followed by CE-1, JC120, Jupiter 8, Juno 106, R-8m, D50 and an S-770. There is most likely some I have forgotten about as well but if I had bought the R-8m and then found out the expansion cards would not be available like they were supposed to be, I would be upset too. I think you should make them available for purchase for anyone with registered hardware. I give praise when praise is due and I have praised Ronald for several decades but you need to make this right

[ENV1]

There's lots of bitching and bashing here though.

Its probably much less than you think.


Picture the following cartoon scene:

- 2 crowds of people, one on the left, one on the right
- A guy in the left crowd holds up a sign saying 'We Like This'
- A guy in the right crowd holds up a sign saying 'We Dont Like This'
- Some folks in the left crowd are shouting 'You are bitchers and bashers!'
- Some folks in the right crowd are shouting 'You are indiscriminate fanboys!'
- On the ground lies a trampled sign saying 'Objectivity'

Unfortunately this has become the norm these days...

[JJ_Jettflow]

But I am sure they will be loads of complaints with how they do it, how much it costs, blah, blah, blah. Like I said, some people e seem to enjoy bitching for nothing.

Because everybody has to agree with you. And if not, they're just bitching or bashing! That's obvious now, mr. "I honestly don't understand"..

Not agree with me, just not be continuously negative. Give credit where credit is due.

Roland Cloud started off with a subscription model like all the other companies have; Pay a monthly fee and have access to all or some (Softube) of their catalog to use at your will.

But many people commented on RC's FB page that they wished to own it so Roland offered a plan where after 12 months of continuous payments, even if you paused the sub, you could keep one of the titles. This would happen each and every year. Please name one other company that offers this?

Oh yes, I know the other companies offer them for sale as well but Roland is no longer offering them that way. Not now and most likely not in the foreseeable future. For the subscription model to be a success, it has to rely on memberships and if they sell the product, it could undermine the subscription model and therefore not bring it to its full potential; which is to offer a virtual library of every product Roland ever made along with the high resolution rendering RAINlinkk and well aa Rolonad Cloud collaboration.

Then there was the complaint about having to be tethered to the internet 24/7 so now they have a feature where you only have to check-in once a week at a time convenient for you. Lennar Digital checks your PC every time you load up Sylenth 1 for the entire duration of the rent-to-own agreement. After that it no longer checks. Yet I do not see as complaints about that with the Lennar Digital rent-to-own deal than with the Roland, yet the Roland is now better because it is once a week; not every time lie Lennar Digital is.

Someone said that Roland Cloud was geared for more professional musician and I think that's about right.

[SLiC]

Roland System 1/System 1m and I assume System 8 owners were ripped off, we were promised we could 'buy' additional plug ins and Roland even set up a content store (remember that? Another idea that lasted about 18 months before being scrapped), I think it is terribly bad practice to force people to try and subscribe or not have access to plug ins for there plug out hardware.

My poost in Roland Cloud's FB bpage regarding this:

As I continue my discussion on KVR, an important issue was raised concerning the availability for the plug-outs for those who own hardware like the System 1/8. I was not aware that these people purchased hardware under the impression that the plug-outs would be available to them as a feature which could have swayed their decision to purchase the hardware. And now, they no longer have that option and that does not seem right. Not at all. I have owned a lot of Roland gear in the day. I started with AP-2 in '78, followed by CE-1, JC120, Jupiter 8, Juno 106, R-8m, D50 and an S-770. There is most likely some I have forgotten about as well but if I had bought the R-8m and then found out the expansion cards would not be available like they were supposed to be, I would be upset too. I think you should make them available for purchase for anyone with registered hardware. I give praise when praise is due and I have praised Ronald for several decades but you need to make this right

That's very well put. Subscribe OR purchase is such a simple option and would undoubtedly make Roland more money and would give more exposure to Rolland us a plug in (or out) manufacturer. The 'subscribe' only model is tarnishing their reputation and slowing down uptake and general 'chat' about there plug ins.

[JJ_Jettflow]

Roland System 1/System 1m and I assume System 8 owners were ripped off, we were promised we could 'buy' additional plug ins and Roland even set up a content store (remember that? Another idea that lasted about 18 months before being scrapped), I think it is terribly bad practice to force people to try and subscribe or not have access to plug ins for there plug out hardware.

My poost in Roland Cloud's FB bpage regarding this:

As I continue my discussion on KVR, an important issue was raised concerning the availability for the plug-outs for those who own hardware like the System 1/8. I was not aware that these people purchased hardware under the impression that the plug-outs would be available to them as a feature which could have swayed their decision to purchase the hardware. And now, they no longer have that option and that does not seem right. Not at all. I have owned a lot of Roland gear in the day. I started with AP-2 in '78, followed by CE-1, JC120, Jupiter 8, Juno 106, R-8m, D50 and an S-770. There is most likely some I have forgotten about as well but if I had bought the R-8m and then found out the expansion cards would not be available like they were supposed to be, I would be upset too. I think you should make them available for purchase for anyone with registered hardware. I give praise when praise is due and I have praised Ronald for several decades but you need to make this right

That's very well put. Subscribe OR purchase is such a simple option and would undoubtedly make Roland more money and would give more exposure to Rolland us a plug in (or out) manufacturer. The 'subscribe' only model is tarnishing their reputation and slowing down uptake and general 'chat' about there plug ins.

Yes, but the ability to purchase offered only to those who have the hardware.

For the subscription model to be a success, it has to rely on memberships and if they sell the product, it could undermine the subscription model and therefore not bring it to its full potential; which is to offer a virtual library of every product Roland ever made along with the high resolution rendering RAINlinkk and well aa Rolonad Cloud collaboration.

The Roland Cloud is WAY more than just the plugs.