DUNE 2 is out now!!

[wagtunes]

Agreed with FLS, a lot of this diehard synth enthusiast stuff has the whiff of middle aged LEGO fanatic to it — that is, it seems more like a fetish or a developmental abnormality than mature taste.

A grown up enjoys a good glass of wine or a nice cheese. A child thinks the wine should come with cheese LAYERED IN, plus bacon, and chocolate, and sprinkles, and...

Not to diss Dune, which I rather like, but I think an honest appraisal of its use in actual songs (not synth demo tracks) will reveal that most of the time only a single layer is used, with multiple layers being used rarely (and at that, rarely more than 2).

But surely having the additional layers doesn’t hurt? Well sure, but it’s just not, in practice, a great feature, and thus not very useful as the central conceit.

What surprises me is that nobody remarks on what I would consider to be Dune 2’s obvious strengths, like the MSEG, breadth of filters, dual-layered FX chains (actually quite useful, and not very common), and multimode oscillators. These are the things that really, from a practical use perspective, set Dune 2 apart from the pack — but this is perhaps lost because the 8 layer thing is the focal point. In that way they are perhaps harmful.

It’s a bit silly to get too heated about any of this anyway, because it is, after all, just a synth, and further it seems pretty darn successful as is. Nothing is perfect, nor does it have to be.

The problem with this is you're generalizing. You're speaking for everybody and you shouldn't. Some of us who make music (yes, music and not just demo tracks) make very complex tracks for some of our projects. Some of our patches morph multiple times over and in fact, on many occasions, don't even repeat such as a lot of what I do with Bazille's sequencer.

Not everybody just does wub-wub, supersaw lead and calls it a day. Some of us are way outside the box with our sounds.

The patch I shared earlier, I will most definitely use that on a track and it's not even all that complicated and still uses 6 layers.

So please don't generalize. If you want to speak for yourself, that's fine. But not everybody shares your opinion.

[Cinebient]

What´s wrong with chocolate wine ?
I even don´t live in a cave these days and don´t hunt my food....what´s wrong with me?

But yeah, we shouldn´t take that all too serious. Most important we like what we do with the tools we use. No one is forced to buy, use anything we don´t like.

[AnX]

... I think an honest appraisal of its use in actual songs (not synth demo tracks) will reveal that most of the time only a single layer is used, with multiple layers being used rarely (and at that, rarely more than 2).

Do you have any evidence of this, or is it pure speculation?

[wagtunes]

... I think an honest appraisal of its use in actual songs (not synth demo tracks) will reveal that most of the time only a single layer is used, with multiple layers being used rarely (and at that, rarely more than 2).

Do you have any evidence of this, or is it pure speculation?

It's just his personal feelings that he's stating as fact for the rest of the world.

Par for the course for KVR,

[fluffy_little_something]

I think it depends on the genre. EDM may make more use of bloated synth sounds, other genres not so much. Songs tend to have simpler synths than instrumental music, at least today.
That's my impression when I hear the music. We don't know what was actually used in the studio, though.

[wagtunes]

I think it depends on the genre. EDM may make more use of bloated synth sounds, other genres not so much. Songs tend to have simpler synths than instrumental music, at least today.
That's my impression when I hear the music. We don't know what was actually used in the studio, though.

And that's just it. Nobody can really say for certain what synths and sounds were used on a particular track unless the artist specifically came out and said "This is what I used" and showed how the patch was put together.

And sometimes the simplest sounds can be more complex than you imagine. How many people would have guessed that my patch posted earlier was 6 layers? It just sounded like a pad with some movement of pan and filter cutoff. That in itself could be done with one layer. But until you look under the hood, you really don't know what's going on.

That's why when people come out and say things like "Nobody uses more than 2 layers" or whatever, it drives me crazy. They should speak for themselves and not assume what other people do or don't do.

[fluffy_little_something]

How many people would have guessed that my patch posted earlier was 6 layers? It just sounded like a pad with some movement of pan and filter cutoff. That in itself could be done with one layer. But until you look under the hood, you really don't know what's going on.

If you mean that Cinematic Masterpiece patch, that would be a big reason against using more layers as it sounds simply horrible, sorry

[wagtunes]

How many people would have guessed that my patch posted earlier was 6 layers? It just sounded like a pad with some movement of pan and filter cutoff. That in itself could be done with one layer. But until you look under the hood, you really don't know what's going on.

If you mean that Cinematic Masterpiece patch, that would be a big reason against using more layers as it sounds simply horrible, sorry

That's your opinion. And you haven't heard it in a mix. And you can't judge architecture on one sound example. And on and on and on.

Besides, you think all my sounds are horrible so who cares what you think?

[Igro]

6 layers. 6 different LFO modulations on panning and filters on various osc's of the 6 layers.

Now way you're duplicating this using multiple instances of Dune 2.

https://soundcloud.com/steven-wagenheim ... asterpiece

So please let's cut out this nonsense already.

Something similar can be done with just two Oscs and two LFOs. It's very muffled and dull. No need to use 6 layers for this sound. Check bigtone sounds, he definitely knows what to do with layers, unlike you.

[wagtunes]

6 layers. 6 different LFO modulations on panning and filters on various osc's of the 6 layers.

Now way you're duplicating this using multiple instances of Dune 2.

https://soundcloud.com/steven-wagenheim ... asterpiece

So please let's cut out this nonsense already.

Something similar can be done with just two Oscs and two LFOs. It's very muffled and dull. No need to use 6 layers for this sound. Check bigtone sounds, he definitely knows what to do with layers, unlike you.

Similar, maybe. Exact? Not possible. Not with all the modulations going on in this patch between voices.

And again, your opinion of my programming skills is pretty meaningless to me, but thanks for commenting anyway.

[fluffy_little_something]

That's your opinion. And you haven't heard it in a mix. And you can't judge architecture on one sound example. And on and on and on.

Besides, you think all my sounds are horrible so who cares what you think?

That patch sounds simply wrong to me, it almost hurts listening to it.
Call me boring, but I like musical, pleasant patches.

Indeed, I don't like your patches. From what I have heard so far, they sound either off or childish, like from some ancient video game.
I am not so sure my opinion is my fault, though. It's not that I don't like other people's patches, period. Joseph Hollo's patches are nice, for instance. Compare them to yours and you will understand what I mean And I am writing this as constructive criticism, and not in order to hurt your feelings.

[wagtunes]

That's your opinion. And you haven't heard it in a mix. And you can't judge architecture on one sound example. And on and on and on.

Besides, you think all my sounds are horrible so who cares what you think?

That patch sounds simply wrong to me, it almost hurts listening to it.
Call me boring, but I like musical, pleasant patches.

Indeed, I don't like your patches. From what I have heard so far, they sound either off or childish, like from some ancient video game.
I am not so sure my opinion is my fault, though. It's not that I don't like other people's patches, period. Joseph Hollo's patches are nice, for instance. Compare them to yours and you will understand what I mean And I am writing this as constructive criticism, and not in order to hurt your feelings.

Well, a lot of people like my stuff because it DOESN'T sound like everything else out there.

Believe it or not, there is a place in this world for everything.

And for you to hurt my feelings, I'd have to give a crap what you thought, which I don't.

[wagtunes]

That's your opinion. And you haven't heard it in a mix. And you can't judge architecture on one sound example. And on and on and on.

Besides, you think all my sounds are horrible so who cares what you think?

That patch sounds simply wrong to me, it almost hurts listening to it.
Call me boring, but I like musical, pleasant patches.

Indeed, I don't like your patches. From what I have heard so far, they sound either off or childish, like from some ancient video game.
I am not so sure my opinion is my fault, though. It's not that I don't like other people's patches, period. Joseph Hollo's patches are nice, for instance. Compare them to yours and you will understand what I mean And I am writing this as constructive criticism, and not in order to hurt your feelings.

Oh, and by the way, the lead composer from "The Young And The Restless" has purchased not ONE, but THREE of my libraries.

Now HIS opinion (somebody who does this for a living) matters.

NOT yours.

[fluffy_little_something]

Oh, and by the way, the lead composer from "The Young And The Restless" has purchased not ONE, but THREE of my libraries.

Now HIS opinion (somebody who does this for a living) matters.

NOT yours.

I don't know the young and the restless, so I can't say anything about that.

Plus, I think you should honor the privacy of your clients.

[wagtunes]

Oh, and by the way, the lead composer from "The Young And The Restless" has purchased not ONE, but THREE of my libraries.

Now HIS opinion (somebody who does this for a living) matters.

NOT yours.

I don't know the young and the restless, so I can't say anything about that.

Plus, I think you should honor the privacy of your clients.

The Young And The Restless.

Look it up my friend. It's only been on TV for 44 years.

As for privacy, please, give me a break.

Point is, just because YOU think I suck at something doesn't mean the whole world shares YOUR opinion, which means absolutely NOTHING to me.