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Lol @ libel suit :lol:
I dare you :hihi:
Examigan wrote: Your website says it is incredible..
wagtunes wrote: To me, Hive sounds thin and lifeless. And the FX are, IMO, abysmal. They are, without a doubt, the cheapest sounding worst FX I have heard on a synth since FM8. And even its FX sound better. You have to literally take almost every effect in Hive and plaster it onto a patch to make it sound good.

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Aliens wrote:Lol @ libel suit :lol:
Well at least one of us is laughing.

Oh, and from now on, whenever I'm about to comment on a synth here I'll preface it by saying "I'm a liar so you'll want to take this review with a grain of salt." That'll really f**k with people's heads especially if my review is negative.

Does that mean the synths is great?

This is getting quite intriguing.

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Aliens wrote:Lol @ libel suit :lol:
I dare you :hihi:
Examigan wrote: Your website says it is incredible..
wagtunes wrote: To me, Hive sounds thin and lifeless. And the FX are, IMO, abysmal. They are, without a doubt, the cheapest sounding worst FX I have heard on a synth since FM8. And even its FX sound better. You have to literally take almost every effect in Hive and plaster it onto a patch to make it sound good.
Oh and by the way, that's pretty much what I did when making this library and that's why the patches sound as good as they do and why it's not been my worst selling library. Not even close to worst selling.

Oh, and you should check out my Softube page. I've got red letters all over that thing warning people not to buy this library unless they are SURE they can load the patches.

Worst sales page ever and best selling library next to Serum.

Oh, and by the way, I hate Serum's envelopes in the way you have to program them. Maybe I should put that on my sales page too.

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The case for the prosecution is the same as for the defence lol
Case dismissed :lol:

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Aliens wrote:The case for the prosecution is the same as for the defence lol
Case dismissed :lol:
Again, none of my feelings have anything to do with the quality of the synth or the library I made for it. Unless I'm misrepresenting the library by providing a sound demo that doesn't include the actual patches I've made, I've done nothing wrong.

You want to make more of it than what it is? Fine.

Think I care? Think again.

Maybe you should ask somebody who actually purchased my library if they're happy with it.

Because that is the ONLY thing that matters.

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wagtunes wrote:
Aliens wrote:Really? :roll: It's got nothing to do with what you love or being a fanboi. If you call something excellent when you really think it's thin, weedy and abysmal, then whether for marketing or in fact particularly for marketing, then you opinions are untrustworthy and unreliable. What's so hard to accept about that?

If you want people to take you at your word, then don't tell lies, or at least don't get caught telling them. It's that simple.

Like me, people here will have to make up their own minds about your perceived lack of ethics.
You'll be arguing with yourself from now on, so good luck with that. :tu:
I've told no lies.

150 Brand New Sounds For The Incredible Hive

Is Hive incredible in some people's eyes? From what I've read, yeah, pretty much. Again, my feelings are irrelevant to selling a sound library.
It's lies.
You are trying to protect your business with lies, but the same time undermining other businesses here (U-he's) with your (now) untrustworthy opinion.

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As for layering vs. no layering, this definitely depends on the music style. I have Ridan's (Brandon Clark) soundsets for D2 which use tons of layers and after playing with Dune again this weekend I think this is what really is the Dune's strongest point. The sound of individual layers in Dune is way too clean and neutral (or if you abuse distortion or filter drive it quickly gets dirty in a bad digital way), but when you stack many layers having their own detune settings, LFO assignments and stuff, this is where the magic happens.

That's a short ambient song I've made of Ridan patches

https://soundcloud.com/bcaudio/patch-qu ... rsion-loop

There are very few parts playing at the same time, I think mostly two and never more than three. The patches themselves fill the whole spectrum. Ofc, if you are making a pop song where human voice is the main instument, or an EDM track where everything must be thinned out to sit in a narrow frequency range in order the whole mix could be made as loud as possible there is no room for such patches.

Anyway, Dune is a solid synth unless you are trying to make it what it is not supposed to be.
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The sound is strikingly cold in my view, big and bombastic at times, but cold.

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wagtunes wrote:I bought Hive. I bought all of U-he's synth. Hive is my least favorite. I think it sounds thin and I think the FX are awful. Of course most synth FX aren't all that great but I digress.
Although I am not a big fan of Hive, I do wish Sylenth1's reverb were as good as Hive's or Dune's.

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fluffy_little_something wrote:The sound is strikingly cold in my view, big and bombastic at times, but cold.
Can't disagree. Although it's very subjective I think "cold" it appropriate definition for Dune's sound character. Anyway, you can always contrast it by "warmer" synths.
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fluffy_little_something wrote:
wagtunes wrote:I bought Hive. I bought all of U-he's synth. Hive is my least favorite. I think it sounds thin and I think the FX are awful. Of course most synth FX aren't all that great but I digress.
Although I am not a big fan of Hive, I do wish Sylenth1's reverb were as good as Hive's or Dune's.
I rarely use a built-in reverb in any synth whatsoever. In a mix the reverb is a send effect in 90% cases.
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recursive one wrote:I rarely use a built-in reverb in any synth whatsoever. In a mix the reverb is a send effect in 90% cases.
I consider the reverb a part of the patch itself usually, so I would be happy if I could use the built-in reverb and save its settings along with my patches. I am kind of pissed sometimes that I have to resort to a separate reverb plugin for that with Sylenth1. I wish Lennard would improve that effect...

It would also facilitate making and selling sound sets.
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Igro wrote:
wagtunes wrote:
Aliens wrote:Really? :roll: It's got nothing to do with what you love or being a fanboi. If you call something excellent when you really think it's thin, weedy and abysmal, then whether for marketing or in fact particularly for marketing, then you opinions are untrustworthy and unreliable. What's so hard to accept about that?

If you want people to take you at your word, then don't tell lies, or at least don't get caught telling them. It's that simple.

Like me, people here will have to make up their own minds about your perceived lack of ethics.
You'll be arguing with yourself from now on, so good luck with that. :tu:
I've told no lies.

150 Brand New Sounds For The Incredible Hive

Is Hive incredible in some people's eyes? From what I've read, yeah, pretty much. Again, my feelings are irrelevant to selling a sound library.
It's lies.
You are trying to protect your business with lies, but the same time undermining other businesses here (U-he's) with your (now) untrustworthy opinion.
You know, you guys crack me up.

Please go to my sales page and tell me exactly what my "lie" is.

Hive is not an incredible synth? Lot of people seem to think so. Certainly the people coming there must own it and probably think it's pretty damn great or they wouldn't have bought it. What does my personal opinion have to do with the actual value of the product itself? Again, it's not a review page. It's a sales page. To make sales, you put things in the best light that you can. It's what every sane, rational company on the entire planet does.

So basically, what you're claiming is this.

Every person on this planet who creates a sound library for a synth absolutely loves that synth unconditionally. They think it's the greatest thing since sliced bread. They have NO problems with the synth.

My friend, if you truly believe that, as I said to Aliens, you are more naive than you can possibly imagine.

It's a business. It's not a personal blog or review page. Nobody in their right mind is going to put on their sales page...

"Well, I bought this synth. Really think is sucks, but I made a library for it anyway. The library itself is pretty good given what I have to work with. Listen for yourself and see what you think."

Obviously, given how many sales I've made, a lot of people thought the library was pretty cool sounding.

Again, it's a business. It's not a personal blog or review page. I'm selling sounds, not my opinion.

So what exactly is it about me you don't trust? If I say "I think XYZ synth is great" that means it's really a bad synth? If I say I love the filters that means the filters suck? I mean what exactly is it that you have a problem with?

Again, it's a business. I'm selling sounds. NOT my opinion.

I think there are problems with a lot of synths that I've made libraries for. What, I'm supposed to list all those problems on every sales page I create?

NOBODY DOES THAT!!!

And again, if you think every sound designer unconditionally loves every synth they program, you're naive.

But hell, think whatever you want. Do you REALLY think I give a crap about such narrow minded naive people like yourself?

The next time you go into a restaurant and ask the waitress what's good and she says "Everything is good" think about how likely it is that she's eaten every single dish that restaurant serves.

Or when you go into a hardware store and ask the salesman if this particular power saw is any good and he says it's excellent if he's ever even used it.

You people are so damn sanctimonious you can't even see it.

Oh man how I love KVR.

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I liike Dune because jordan rudess doesnt use it, or avicii.

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wagtunes wrote: So basically, what you're claiming is this.

Every person on this planet who creates a sound library for a synth absolutely loves that synth unconditionally. They think it's the greatest thing since sliced bread. They have NO problems with the synth.

My friend, if you truly believe that, as I said to Aliens, you are more naive than you can possibly imagine.
And as I've consistently written, that's got nothing to do with it. That's just your attempt to face save spin to minimise the effects of a very public own goal.
The issue, as I see it, is you've said a synth was excellent when what you really believe is it's thin, weedy and abysmal.
That calls in to question the validity of all your opinions, and in a thread like this, where you have slighted others views, a little context is everything.

To me you're a laughing stock. I put no worth in any of your posts since you outed yourself.
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