DUNE 2 is out now!!

[AstroCastro]

This thread is about Dune2 and not about your sound libraries and does someone likes them or not.
Reported for spam.

You haven't been here long enough to report anyone for anything. Sit down and shut up.

What to expect from a keyboard warrior than to measure his penis size by the number of his forum posts.
What a laughing material you are, buddy. I feel sorry for you.

[Hink]

Dune 2 has been "out now" for three years and the mod que is full of reports this morning...if people want his to stay on topic and stay unlocked it needs to go back on topic now and this all too familiar sidetrack needs to stop. I really loathe the idea of locking the thread but at this point it wont take much so kindly get back to talking about Dune 2 please.

[wagtunes]

Okay, now that that's all over and done with, getting back to the subject of Dune 2 and where we last left off (discussing the need for 8 layers in a synth) I have a couple of questions for those who feel that 8 layers is needed only for people who create sound libraries in order to sell them and have no practical use in real world music.

1. What do you base this conclusion on?

2. Have you ever even tried creating a patch with multiple layers?

The problem I have with this entire thing is that people here give THEIR opinion as universal law. If they feel this way, it's the way that it MUST be. If they think that there is no musical application for 8 layers then it's so. Nobody on this planet could possibly have a "real world" use for 8 layers.

It is this sanctimony that makes me wonder why I waste my time coming here. We're supposed to be musicians and as musicians we're supposed to be open minded to the possibility of new ideas and ways of doing things. But this forum, in general, is more closed minded than some of the business forums I've been to where black and white is pretty much the law of the land.

I'm almost embarrassed to be part of a community that's so closed minded that it sees IT'S opinion as the only one that has any validity.

Why do I bother?

[kevvvvv]

wagtunes

I'm almost embarrassed to be part of a community that's so closed minded that it sees IT'S opinion as the only one that has any validity.

Why do I bother?

I've seen some really good contributing members leave KVR over the years in a fit of momentary pique & ire.

It's not worth it.

Be fair, wag. Sometimes you do put yourself out on a limb and make yourself a target. So what do you expect if people have a go?

[wagtunes]

wagtunes

I'm almost embarrassed to be part of a community that's so closed minded that it sees IT'S opinion as the only one that has any validity.

Why do I bother?

I've seen some really good contributing members leave KVR over the years in a fit of momentary pique & ire.

It's not worth it.

Be fair, wag. Sometimes you do put yourself out on a limb and make yourself a target. So what do you expect if people have a go?

If people want to have a go at me, fine. But for crying out loud, at least have a go at me for something of substance. Some of the shit that gets said here totally boggles my mind.

But in this case, my comment has nothing to do with me. It has to do with people believing that Dune 2's 8 layers are a waste. Like they're the sole arbiter of what should and shouldn't be in a synth.

Sorry, but it baffles me to no end.

[fluffy_little_something]

I don't get your point. Nobody is saying SA should remove layers from Dune2. Everybody is just stating their opinion, and some think 8 layers is too many. That's just as legitimate a view as other people saying 8 layers is fine and necessary. No need to get riled up about people that don't agree with you...

[wagtunes]

I don't get your point. Nobody is saying SA should remove layers from Dune2. Everybody is just stating their opinion, and some think 8 layers is too many. That's just as legitimate a view as other people saying 8 layers is fine and necessary. No need to get riled up about people that don't agree with you...

Do I need to paste the quotes of people who stated AS FACT that the only purpose for 8 layers is to make libraries and that they have no musical real world application?

What I get riled up about is the closed mindedness of people.

Again, as musicians, I expected better.

And yes, that's MY opinion.

[Teksonik]

What to expect from a keyboard warrior than to measure his penis size by the number of his forum posts.
What a laughing material you are, buddy. I feel sorry for you.

And you have the nerve to report someone else ? It's not about post count it's that you haven't earned the right to complain about anyone yet. Hey Hink, lock the thread because AstroCastro is being insulting...

wagtunes

I'm almost embarrassed to be part of a community that's so closed minded that it sees IT'S opinion as the only one that has any validity.

Why do I bother?

I've seen some really good contributing members leave KVR over the years in a fit of momentary pique & ire.

It's not worth it.

Be fair, wag. Sometimes you do put yourself out on a limb and make yourself a target. So what do you expect if people have a go?

Look, let's call it like it is.....there are a handful of KVR members we find in every one of these threads and it's always the usual suspects who seem more interested in complaining about synths than actually using them. Lock this thread and they'll still be around to pollute other threads.

Anyway I think this thread has run it's course since "Dune 2 is out now" is three and half years old....longer than some people in this thread have been members at KVR. We can start a new thread when there is something else to discuss about DUNE....but sadly if you let the same people continue to play in the sandbox the result will inevitably be the same........

[fluffy_little_something]

Well, I also think there is no musical value in 8 layers. It is my opinion. I have no idea how anyone is supposed to claim that AS FACT. Did they quote scientists or the bible?
I am not closed-minded just because I think 8 layers is exaggerated. Nor are all musicians the same, why would all musicians think the same and welcome excess? Some musicians don't use any synths at all, or simple ones. Some people simply won't participate in the synth arms race...

[Teksonik]

Do I need to paste the quotes of people who stated AS FACT that the only purpose for 8 layers is to make libraries and that they have no musical real world application?

So now DUNE is too much for some people ? So be it.....Synth 1 is still available.

[Teksonik]

Well, I also think there is no musical value in 8 layers. It is my opinion.

Define "Musical".... Just because you don't have the imagination to use more than a single layer with a single saw wave through a low pass filter which for reasons of ignorance seems to be the definition of synthesis at KVR these days doesn't mean that others aren't thrilled to have a synth with such power. How I miss the days when synth lovers used to be the majority at KVR instead of people who are constantly looking in minutia for things to complain about.

Like I said if 8 layers are too much for someone then Synth 1 is still available......

[wagtunes]

Well, I also think there is no musical value in 8 layers. It is my opinion.

Define "Musical".... Just because you don't have the imagination to use more than a single layer with a single saw wave through a low pass filter which for reasons of ignorance seems to be the definition of synthesis at KVR these days doesn't mean that others aren't thrilled to have a synth with such power. How I miss the days when synth lovers used to be the majority at KVR instead of people who are constantly looking in minutia for things to complain about.

Like I said if 8 layers are too much for someone then Synth 1 is still available......

Remember the days when we got our first polyphonic synth and we were like "Wow, you can play more than one note at a time" and we were so freaking stoked.

I miss those days when people actually appreciated what they had.

[fluffy_little_something]

Indeed, that is another important aspect. Musical as in good music, which is utterly subjective, of course. Still, we all have our ideas of what good music sounds like.

Of course I have no problem with there being 8 or 16 layers, as long as I don't have to use them in order to get the sounds I want. But personally I am not impressed with the way a single Dune2 layer sounds.

Maybe there are fewer synth lovers here now because synths have seen a strong inflation. I can't compare because I was not here 10 years ago.

[Teksonik]

Remember the days when we got our first polyphonic synth and we were like "Wow, you can play more than one note at a time" and we were so freaking stoked.

I miss those days when people actually appreciated what they had.

Yes I remember those days quite well and perhaps that's part of the issue. Maybe it's a generation issue. Those of us who have been around synths long before a VSTi was even a dream have seen the power of synthesis grow beyond our wildest dreams. To see Synthesis defined so narrowly these days is frustrating. There is so much more to synthesis than a Saw Wave through an LPF. I not only remember my first hardware polysynth I remember when synths like the DX7 and D50 came on the scene and expanded the world of synthesis by an order of magnitude. Now we have softsynths that have nearly limitless possibilities to create new and inspiring sounds. I feel blessed to have lived through both eras. I guess once you've lived through the era of simple mono synths, going back to simple synths seems a bit like going back to riding a Horse to work....when you have a perfectly functioning Ferrari in the garage.

As for the 8 layers of DUNE 2, you and I both know this but a Layer can be as simple as an attack transient or simply a copy of another Layer with a different filter ADSR setting etc. Each individual layer does not have to be a full patch on it's own. You build your sound layer by layer. But it's pointless to explain that to someone who does not own DUNE 2 and never will. Yet here there are in every DUNE 2 thread....

But personally I am not impressed with the way a single Dune2 layer sounds.

So why are you in a thread about DUNE 2 ? I've asked this before. Why not move on if you don't like DUNE 2 ?

[wagtunes]

Remember the days when we got our first polyphonic synth and we were like "Wow, you can play more than one note at a time" and we were so freaking stoked.

I miss those days when people actually appreciated what they had.

Yes I remember those days quite well and perhaps that's part of the issue. Maybe it's a generation issue. Those of us who have been around synths long before a VSTi was even a dream have seen the power of synthesis grow beyond our wildest dreams. To see Synthesis defined so narrowly these days is frustrating. There is so much more to synthesis than a Saw Wave through an LPF. I not only remember my first hardware polysynth I remember when synths like the DX7 and D50 came on the scene and expanded the world of synthesis by an order of magnitude. Now we have softsynths that have nearly limitless possibilities to create new and inspiring sounds. I feel blessed to have lived through both eras. I guess once you've lived through the era of simple mono synths, going back to simple synths seems a bit like going back to riding a Horse to work....when you have a perfectly functioning Ferrari in the garage.

As for the 8 layers of DUNE 2, you and I both know this but a Layer can be as simple as an attack transient or simply a copy of another Layer with a different filter ADSR setting etc. Each individual layers does not have to be a full patch on it's own. You build your sound layer by layer. But it's pointless to explain that to someone who does not own DUNE 2 and never will. Yet here there are in every DUNE 2 thread....

While it's hard to list favorite synths when you own so many, here's what I do know. Dune 2 is on almost every track I do that isn't hard rock. If it has an electronic percussion section and has synths, Dune 2 is pretty much on it somewhere.

There aren't a lot of synths I can say that about. In fact, here are the handful of synths that I use almost all the time.

Dune 2 (mostly ARPs, pads and leads)
Omnisphere (mostly pads and soundscapes)
Legend (mostly bass and leads)
Sunrizer (mostly synth strings)
Synthmaster (Just about anything. Probably most used synth)
Zebra 2 (Just about anything. Probably 2nd most used synth)

And that's it. Everything else I own is on an "as needed" basis. One project I used OP-X II a ton because it was an 80s synth pop project. But I haven't touched it since.

If I could only keep 10 synths, those 6 would be among them. I have no idea about the remaining 4.

And nothing I own sounds like Dune 2. Nothing. It is that unique.