DUNE 2 is out now!!

[nordickvr]

...Like I said if 8 layers are too much for someone then Synth 1 is still available......

I just found a killer workaround for this!
Turning the ones you don't want to use off
ymmv

...There is so much more to synthesis than a Saw Wave through an LPF.

Definitely

[fluffy_little_something]

when you have a perfectly functioning Ferrari in the garage.

As for the 8 layers of DUNE 2, you and I both know this but a Layer can be as simple as an attack transient or simply a copy of another Layer with a different filter ADSR setting etc. Each individual layer does not have to be a full patch on it's own. You build your sound layer by layer. But it's pointless to explain that to someone who does not own DUNE 2 and never will. Yet here there are in every DUNE 2 thread....

But personally I am not impressed with the way a single Dune2 layer sounds.

So why are you in a thread about DUNE 2 ? I've asked this before. Why not move on if you don't like DUNE 2 ?

um, because the horse is a living being, not a ton of metal

There is only one Dune 2 thread as far as know, so of course I am on every Dune 2 thread as soon as I am on this one

Who says this is a Dune 2 fan thread? As a developer I would be much more interested in the negative things people have to say about my creation than in the praise.
I have repeatedly tried to like Dune 2, but I even like its predecessor more.

And frankly, when KVR keeps thrusting big Dune 2 and Hive ads into my face for months or years even, I feel like I have to return something

I do use a second layer for more uncommon attack sounds occasionally, and the other for the main sound. But 6 or 8? I can achieve filter cutoff changes with an LFO or envelope.

[fluffy_little_something]

Nor do I see anything wrong with a saw through an LP filter. Weren't most classic synths sounds like that?

I would go so far as to say that's the litmus test for any subtractive synth...

[recursive one]

One of the Dune's factory patches emulates a vowel filter by several parallel bandpass filters controlled by modwheel. That's some clever programming for sure.

Though I'd prefer a dedicated vowel filter, would be much easier to set up and to control.

Also adding a transient to the sound could be implemented by a dedicated oscillator, like in Serum, playing a single cycle wave. To this end, the WT oscillator in Dune has a single cycle mode. Instead of the rudimentary third oscillator Dune could have a full-blown third one which could be used as an "attack oscillator" as needed, and a separate suboscillator.

Also the first Dune had "spike soft/spike hard" mod source. I always wondered why it is gone in Dune2 (though I suppose it may be recreated by a MSEG).

While I don't belong to the "anti-layer crowd", for me it seems a bit odd that Dune2 relies on layers where other synths have dedicated modules within one layer, like a vowel filter or a transient emphasis tool.

[Teksonik]

There is only one Dune 2 thread as far as know, so of course I am on every Dune 2 thread as soon as I am on this one

One...at the moment... You've been in every thread I can remember about DUNE 2 going back quite some time.

Who says this is a Dune 2 fan thread? As a developer I would be much more interested in the negative things people have to say about my creation than in the praise.

That would a valid point except....

But personally I am not impressed with the way a single Dune2 layer sounds.

You don't like the core sound of DUNE 2 (or any other synths for that matter) and that's not going to change. If the core sound of DUNE 2 changes because of your input I will hunt you down and go Seal Team 6 on you.....

And frankly, when KVR keeps thrusting big Dune 2 and Hive ads into my face for months or years even, I feel like I have to return something

Then you'll be in every one of IK Multimedia's Hype Train threads or whenever there is the Xils release.

I do use a second layer for more uncommon attack sounds occasionally, and the other for the main sound. But 6 or 8? I can achieve filter cutoff changes with an LFO or envelope.

You can have 8 different Filters....at one time....and so on. You simply don't understand DUNE 2's architecture and since you don't like it's core sound you won't ever own it so....move on. If I wasn't waiting for the guy to come service my furnace I wouldn't be here and trust me two minutes after he's gone I'll be in the studio and working with DUNE 2 with great joy. Along with Hive and Sylenth and XPand!2 and so on....we are blessed for choices these days.

There are synths I don't particularly like but I don't waste time in threads about them. Go make some music. Unless you're waiting for the furnace guy too....

[Teksonik]

Perhaps I'm wrong about you not liking DUNE 2......This thread, May 2 2014:

Just tried the demo, sounds pretty good, I prefer the sound to Diva's. And it uses so little CPU to achieve that, amazing That is Synthedit level according to my meters Actually, what is excellent is how the load is evenly distributed across all cores of my CPU, thus no spikes.

Preset 20 is interesting, you can do half a song with one instance
33 sounds very cool.

I wish there were a few more classic patches, and an init patch. The GUI is also very nice and ergonomic, perfect for my old eyes

This will be a very successful synth.

[fluffy_little_something]

Hehe, no furnace guy visiting me, I don't even have a furnace
I have programmed a few sounds meanwhile, but no, I am not in the mood for music as such today...

[AnX]

I wish it had 9 layers.....

[fluffy_little_something]

Perhaps I'm wrong about you not liking DUNE 2......This thread, May 2 2014:

Just tried the demo, sounds pretty good, I prefer the sound to Diva's. And it uses so little CPU to achieve that, amazing That is Synthedit level according to my meters Actually, what is excellent is how the load is evenly distributed across all cores of my CPU, thus no spikes.

Preset 20 is interesting, you can do half a song with one instance
33 sounds very cool.

I wish there were a few more classic patches, and an init patch. The GUI is also very nice and ergonomic, perfect for my old eyes

This will be a very successful synth.

Yeah, I was probably blinded by all the effects right after I had downloaded and opened it. 3 years ago I was still relatively new to plugins and easier to impress than today.

And it was before I got Sylenth1, judging from the date

I no longer subscribe to my comment on CPU load, though, on other patches it turned out a bit of a hog.

And I was right, it became a success
And I was already missing classic synth patches back then, it seems

[wagtunes]

Perhaps I'm wrong about you not liking DUNE 2......This thread, May 2 2014:

Just tried the demo, sounds pretty good, I prefer the sound to Diva's. And it uses so little CPU to achieve that, amazing That is Synthedit level according to my meters Actually, what is excellent is how the load is evenly distributed across all cores of my CPU, thus no spikes.

Preset 20 is interesting, you can do half a song with one instance
33 sounds very cool.

I wish there were a few more classic patches, and an init patch. The GUI is also very nice and ergonomic, perfect for my old eyes

This will be a very successful synth.

This is priceless. Thanks for sharing.

[recursive one]

You don't like the core sound of DUNE 2

I have to admit I'm not too keen on it too. But I really like the wokflow (with some exceptions I talked about above), and the feature set, and the GUI. Could be my dream synth should it sound just a tad different. Either in "Virusy" direction - stronger, punchier, more saturated, or, to the contrary, warmer, fatter, more analogue-like. After the Legend I hope the latter may actually happen in Dune 3.

This explains my unhealthy addiction to posting things people don't like in Dune2 threads

[wagtunes]

You don't like the core sound of DUNE 2

I have to admit I'm not too keen on it too. But I really like the wokflow (with some exceptions I talked about above), and the feature set, and the GUI. Could be my dream synth should it sound just a tad different. Either in "Virusy" direction - stronger, punchier, more saturated, or, to the contrary, warmer, fatter, more analogue-like. After the Legend I hope the latter may actually happen in Dune 3.

This explains my unhealthy additiction to posting things people don't like in Dune2 threads

I think I know what it is about the sound you don't like. If I had to compare it to other synths, I'd say that it borders on that Tone 2 plastic sound though not quite as shiny.

While I'm not in love with Tone 2 synths in general (some I like more than others and own 4 of them) I do like that plastic sound to a degree. Dune 2 is just a tad warmer or more mellow and seems to work well with the type of EDM tracks that I do. Spire, while a great sounding synth in its own right, is a little on the harsher side and as such I don't use it as much unless I'm looking for that sound. Of course then I'll probably just turn to Serum, which to me sounds cold as ice for the most part unless you really get super creative with it. It can sound mellow. It's just not as easy to pull off as what Serum excels in, sounding nasty.

Wow, did I just criticize aspects of a whole handful of synths?

Damn, I better take the sales pages down.

Sorry, I couldn't resist.

Point is, I can actually understand people not liking the sound of Dune 2. It absolutely does NOT have an analog sound like a Legend and, at the same time, doesn't have that grit of a Serum or a Spire or even a Massive. It's kind of in no man's land, at least to my ears. But that's why I love it so much. It's not trying to be a Virus or whatever. It's all its own synth. So you're either going to love it or not.

And while I use it on almost every track, there are times when I just know I need Serum or Massive or Spire for what I want to do.

[recursive one]

You don't like the core sound of DUNE 2

I have to admit I'm not too keen on it too. But I really like the wokflow (with some exceptions I talked about above), and the feature set, and the GUI. Could be my dream synth should it sound just a tad different. Either in "Virusy" direction - stronger, punchier, more saturated, or, to the contrary, warmer, fatter, more analogue-like. After the Legend I hope the latter may actually happen in Dune 3.

This explains my unhealthy additiction to posting things people don't like in Dune2 threads

I think I know what it is about the sound you don't like. If I had to compare it to other synths, I'd say that it borders on that Tone 2 plastic sound though not quite as shiny.

Yeah, somthing like that. I don't like Tone2 synths either. I remember I was sitting in a hotel in San-Diego playing Electra 2 demo on my notebook and I thought that it sounds very nice but later I realized that it was only because this was a hotel in San-Diego (my first and the only visit to America), nice weather and I was pretty drunk to boot. When I returned home and played the same Electra2 demo there was absolutely no magic in it

Though D2's very clean "plastic" sound does work in certain situations, in my setup it is a "third line " synth, I load it when I need to add something different to my main workhorse synths, but I used it only once as the main synth and was not quite happy with the result (though the track was released and appeared on several psytrance compilations).

[Teksonik]

Either in "Virusy" direction - stronger, punchier, more saturated, or, to the contrary, warmer, fatter, more analogue-like.

You forgot snappier and blonkier and goopier and.....

There is absolutely nothing wrong with DUNE 2's core sound. PEBCAK

Is DUNE 2 perfect ? No, nothing is but instead of wishing for what might be embrace what it is.....

Perhaps DUNE 3 will address the concerns of the pedants but I doubt it....someone will always say it's not gronky enough or splorky enough or it's too complicated or_______fill in the blank.

@ everyone:

Don't like DUNE 2 ? Don't buy it....wait until DUNE 3 and see if it's gronky enough. If D3 doesn't strike your fancy then move on, or keep complaining about what it isn't while the rest of us enjoy what it is....

We should all be more like this guy:



Where is that damn furnace guy....I'm dying to load up DUNE 2 and simply enjoy the wonderful sounds it's capable of creating....in the right hands.

[Cinebient]

Maybe all synths should have just adjectives on the knobs and sliders. Beside snappy f.e.:
adorable
adventurous
aggressive
agreeable
alert
alive
amused
angry
annoyed
annoying
anxious
arrogant
ashamed
attractive
average
awful
bad
beautiful
better
bewildered
black
bloody
blue
blue-eyed
blushing
bored
brainy
brave
breakable
bright
busy
calm
careful
cautious
charming
cheerful
clean
clear
clever
cloudy
clumsy
colorful
combative
comfortable
concerned
condemned
confused
cooperative
courageous
crazy
creepy
crowded
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cute
dangerous
dark
dead
defeated
defiant
delightful
depressed
determined
different
difficult
disgusted
distinct
disturbed
dizzy
doubtful
drab
dull
eager
easy
elated
elegant
embarrassed
enchanting
encouraging
energetic
enthusiastic
envious
evil
excited
expensive
exuberant
fair
faithful
famous
fancy
fantastic
fierce
filthy
fine
foolish
fragile
frail
frantic
friendly
frightened
funny
gentle
gifted
glamorous
gleaming
glorious
good
gorgeous
graceful
grieving
grotesque
grumpy
handsome
happy
healthy
helpful
helpless
hilarious
homeless
homely
horrible
hungry
hurt
ill
important
impossible
inexpensive
innocent
inquisitive
itchy
jealous
jittery
jolly
joyous
kind
lazy
light
lively
lonely
long
lovely
lucky
magnificent
misty
modern
motionless
muddy
mushy
mysterious
nasty
naughty
nervous
nice
nutty
obedient
obnoxious
odd
old-fashioned
open
outrageous
outstanding
panicky
perfect
plain
pleasant
poised
poor
powerful
precious
prickly
proud
puzzled
quaint
real
relieved
repulsive
rich
scary
selfish
shiny
shy
silly
sleepy
smiling
smoggy
sore
sparkling
splendid
spotless
stormy
strange
stupid
successful
super
talented
tame
tender
tense
terrible
testy
thankful
thoughtful
thoughtless
tired
tough
troubled
ugliest
ugly
uninterested
unsightly
unusual
upset
uptight
vast
victorious
vivacious
wandering
weary
wicked
wide-eyed
wild
witty
worrisome
worried
wrong
zany
zealous