Alternative to Hive
- Rad Grandad
- 38044 posts since 6 Sep, 2003 from Downeast Maine
this is ridiculous, where is the need for this nonsense? If you dont have anything on topic to contribute then dont post, last time I'm gonna say it.
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- Banned
- 3889 posts since 3 Feb, 2010
I must confess something...Because Hive was made as an "alternative" to Sylenth1 and people were still saying its way too different i never even had suspision people would want Hive altnernative and this synth came out just a little over 2 years ago
- KVRAF
- 25311 posts since 3 Feb, 2005 from in the wilds
And some have a lot less tabs than others.greedy.mf wrote:
I suppose pointless-ness of that requirement really depends on your synth programming approach.
I like to see what contributes to a sound at a glance, so I can tune it and carry on.
As for Hive - yes, it's tabbed. But it makes sense. I don't need keyboard, when I tweaking matrix. I don't need effects when I adjust arp.
Most synths are tabbed, beside the simplest ones. But some are tabbed with greater consideration.
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- KVRist
- 259 posts since 16 Jun, 2015
Try harmless: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6whFMK6wg4
It's a subtractive synth powered by an additive engine under the hood -- so even though it's a one pager, that underlying engine gives it a ton of sonic breadth in a very compact package. Probably nothing else out there let's you dial in as wide a range of sounds as quickly.
What it's missing from your requirements is a "ton" of presets. It has maybe a 50-100 or so. However, it makes up for that, perhaps, with outstanding tweakability. It's also absurdly light on the CPU, and is 100% aliasing free unless you truly brutalize it in the distortion section.
It's a subtractive synth powered by an additive engine under the hood -- so even though it's a one pager, that underlying engine gives it a ton of sonic breadth in a very compact package. Probably nothing else out there let's you dial in as wide a range of sounds as quickly.
What it's missing from your requirements is a "ton" of presets. It has maybe a 50-100 or so. However, it makes up for that, perhaps, with outstanding tweakability. It's also absurdly light on the CPU, and is 100% aliasing free unless you truly brutalize it in the distortion section.
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- KVRAF
- 2772 posts since 22 May, 2017
Yes, Harmless is a beauty! I think I like it more than it's big brother Harmor.
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 220 posts since 21 Jul, 2015
Looks interesting, but Windows only.aumordia wrote:Try harmless: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6whFMK6wg4
It's a subtractive synth powered by an additive engine under the hood -- so even though it's a one pager, that underlying engine gives it a ton of sonic breadth in a very compact package. Probably nothing else out there let's you dial in as wide a range of sounds as quickly.
What it's missing from your requirements is a "ton" of presets. It has maybe a 50-100 or so. However, it makes up for that, perhaps, with outstanding tweakability. It's also absurdly light on the CPU, and is 100% aliasing free unless you truly brutalize it in the distortion section.
Guess I should've mentioned I'm on a Mac.
Actually it seems kind of strange to me that FL don't offer AU version for all their plugins.
Go figure.
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 220 posts since 21 Jul, 2015
Surprisingly, there is one more option
Thorn by Dmitry Sches, released just yesterday.
Guys in dedicated thread comparing it to others spectral synths, like Linplug Spectral, which is fair, I think.
But to me it could easily be one of those workhorse VA bread and butter synth.
It got everything I need - sleek one page-ish scalable UI, 2x modelled filters, 3x flexible OSCs with unison, simple ADSRs, plenty of FX. Drag'n'drop and right-click assign modulation for dessert. Glitch sequencer is fun too.
Probably an overlap with Serum to some degree. But it got +1 OSC, +1 filter, arp and dedicated env knob for filter. So it can be mapped to controller without convoluted workaround.
Evaluating at the moment. File size is strangely big for for "synthesizing" synth, not WT or sample based.
Introduction pride is more then modest - $69. You won't find Hive for this price even used.
Probably to early to be sure 100%, but if it clicks with me, I'm set. No need for ANA 2 or Saurus 2.
As for Wiggle, I got it on Thomann sale recently. Wonderfully strange little synth.
Thorn by Dmitry Sches, released just yesterday.
Guys in dedicated thread comparing it to others spectral synths, like Linplug Spectral, which is fair, I think.
But to me it could easily be one of those workhorse VA bread and butter synth.
It got everything I need - sleek one page-ish scalable UI, 2x modelled filters, 3x flexible OSCs with unison, simple ADSRs, plenty of FX. Drag'n'drop and right-click assign modulation for dessert. Glitch sequencer is fun too.
Probably an overlap with Serum to some degree. But it got +1 OSC, +1 filter, arp and dedicated env knob for filter. So it can be mapped to controller without convoluted workaround.
Evaluating at the moment. File size is strangely big for for "synthesizing" synth, not WT or sample based.
Introduction pride is more then modest - $69. You won't find Hive for this price even used.
Probably to early to be sure 100%, but if it clicks with me, I'm set. No need for ANA 2 or Saurus 2.
As for Wiggle, I got it on Thomann sale recently. Wonderfully strange little synth.
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- KVRAF
- 8451 posts since 5 Aug, 2009
I sont like wiggle. It sounds too muffled.
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 220 posts since 21 Jul, 2015
Sure, highs nothing like Serum. Some distortion help is needed. Still got it's use, for pads.Caine123 wrote:I sont like wiggle. It sounds too muffled.
Probably wouldn't buy it if I knew about upcoming Thorn release, but I'm no psychic
What's done is done, another tool in the box.
Besides I don't have a dedicated FM synth, so it could fill that place with 4 operators.
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- KVRAF
- 6560 posts since 14 Nov, 2006 from Ankara, Turkey
the envelope durations in SM1 are based on the moog subphatty. Minimum attack duration was around 1.5 msIgro wrote:SM1 one uses analog envelopes by default. And they ARE clicky. But as far as u remember SM1 doesn't use zero attacks by default. Also, if you don't get clicksy attack, you probably don't how to use synths. Change the phase of the waveform and don't use free running oscillator. If this is not enough, use a kikck sample in every note press. Phahaha. What's the point of having mega clicky attacks? Is it like the loudness war? SM attack is natural, it allows to stack voices without having too pronounced click, otherwise it would be overkill.chk071 wrote:That's what i'm saying here, since years. Some synths simply have very strange envelopes. The counter-claim is usually that "you can shape, and make them sound the way you want with MSEG", or, as you said, adjustable curves. Well, nope, not really. Some just will always sound soft, won't give you any punchiness, or "bang". Or what i'd call a organic, "round" sound.greedy.mf wrote:Envelops have strange feel, and despite adjustable curve it's not easy to find sweet spot. Call it my poor skills, I don care. However Hive or Sylenth don't give me that issue.
Was one of the first thing i noticed with the full Synthmaster. The filters and envelopes just won't give me the kind of punch that Spire, or Sylenth1 produce, e.g. It always sounds soft, and weak. Like a (typical) soft synth.
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