Thorn: Dmitry Sches' new synth!

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lnikj
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1770 posts since 23 May, 2005 from the North Cornwall coast

Post Thu Oct 19, 2017 12:10 am

:tu: :)

recursive one
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3645 posts since 7 Feb, 2013

Re: Thorn: Dmitry Sches' new synth!

Post Thu Oct 19, 2017 12:18 am

Had a brief demo session yesterday, made some not very complicated patches and played random presets.

Well, Thorn sounds quite good but unsurprisingly quite similar to Diversion. First it seems that Thorn’s output is a bit fatter and punchier, but this may be because it has “boost” and limiter switched on by default, if these are disabled it sounds very similar to Diversion, the same very bright sound a bit weedy especially in the low register.

On the other hand, that harmonic filter thing may have some serious power in shaping the sound character. So far I was messing with “bass contour 1” curve, making some additional adjustments – this may be used as a quick fix to excessively bright sounding patches. But potentially I think the harmonic filter may help creating oscillators having variety of characters and textures, or maybe even copying the oscillators of some other synths to some extent.

Filters are nice, though it seems that the drive may easily go over the top and distort the sound more than needed but that’s just a first impression, probably this is addressed just by more careful gainstaging.

Didn’t manage to create really impressive supersaws (ofc, nobody should be using supersaws in 2017 but I’m still making them when testing the new synths – just because), and the factory supersaw presets are not exactly stunning either. Well, not any synth must be Spire :)

The FM can give some really interesting results, especially with some complex waves.

Loved the glitch section – just switch it on, paint some random shit in the step sequencer and it will sound like you have spent several hours resampling, adjusting filters and bitcrushers, drawing the automations etc.

The GUI is fine – looks pretty and has nice clear layout. Don’t have any problems reading it.

Didn’t notice any bugs in Studio One x64, Windows, VST2.

Well, Thorn is obviously very deep synth which cannot be judged after one hour demoing, but the main question is – do I need it if I have Diversion. Somehow I can’t shake the feeling that Thorn is essentially the same engine with different set of controls.
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sqigls
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3040 posts since 25 Dec, 2004 from Melbourne, Australia

Re: Thorn: Dmitry Sches' new synth!

Post Thu Oct 19, 2017 12:48 am

Lower CPU tax?
that would be MY reason
i had 4 instances going this morning, sounded great and was hovering at about 15% CPU, i think that's pretty good.
Also, the GUI is inviting and everything is pretty intuitive.

I need to check out Diversion properly though, finally :P
Last time i tried it, it was about 20-25% per instance, too much for me. To use as bread and butter synth anyway.
I think Thorn could replace a few other synths.
The filter resonance is pretty weak though. Lucky the Drive is so awesome :P

Amram
KVRian
527 posts since 12 Jan, 2013 from Foolish Shepherd = God

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Post Thu Oct 19, 2017 1:18 am

What do u think , can Diversion replace Hartmann Neuron Synthesizer hardware?

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sqigls
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3040 posts since 25 Dec, 2004 from Melbourne, Australia

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Post Thu Oct 19, 2017 1:23 am

oh god, i sold my Neuron 10 years ago, i think it's best if we all try to forget that little bump in the road.

Amram
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527 posts since 12 Jan, 2013 from Foolish Shepherd = God

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Post Thu Oct 19, 2017 1:27 am

sqigls wrote:oh god, i sold my Neuron 10 years ago, i think it's best if we all try to forget that little bump in the road.
:lol:

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ATS
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5774 posts since 21 Dec, 2002 from MD USA

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Post Thu Oct 19, 2017 1:46 am

Been demoing. I love the sound and it has something different to me than Diversion. It is more aggressive, in a very good way.
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4damind
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4625 posts since 17 Aug, 2004 from Berlin, Germany

Re: Thorn: Dmitry Sches' new synth!

Post Thu Oct 19, 2017 1:48 am

Download the demo and make your own decision.
It's a good synth but to me it's doesn't play in the same league as Serum or Spire.

shonky
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682 posts since 21 Nov, 2005

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Post Thu Oct 19, 2017 3:36 am

Demoed this morning, pretty much sold and will purchase next Tuesday when I get paid. Think it's got a lot of scope and great fun to play with, good clean sound which will go well with my more lo-fi loves (Arcsyn, Phonec 2, Vacuum Pro).

Dimitry's always good with the updates, no issues with early teething troubles ;)

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sqigls
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3040 posts since 25 Dec, 2004 from Melbourne, Australia

Re: Thorn: Dmitry Sches' new synth!

Post Thu Oct 19, 2017 3:37 am

I prefer the sound of Thorn to both Serum and Spire personally. Even with a pretty much unusable filter resonance (for my tastes). and the GUI is great! Spire has a good GUI too, but it takes a little bit longer to tame a sound, and also often kinda relies on the effects section too much... although good effects.
Different bag really. But as for Serum, pffft, don't even get me started on that thing.

recursive one
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3645 posts since 7 Feb, 2013

Re: Thorn: Dmitry Sches' new synth!

Post Thu Oct 19, 2017 3:41 am

sqigls wrote: Even with a pretty much unusable filter resonance
Which filter models did you try? According to the manual, some of the filters are tuned to self-oscillation at high resonance, some others aren't.
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ckoe
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109 posts since 26 Sep, 2017 from Berlin

Re: Thorn: Dmitry Sches' new synth!

Post Thu Oct 19, 2017 3:42 am

Here is a short video of Thorn I have made today.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHkUmwo1VYw

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sqigls
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3040 posts since 25 Dec, 2004 from Melbourne, Australia

Re: Thorn: Dmitry Sches' new synth!

Post Thu Oct 19, 2017 4:04 am

recursive one wrote:
sqigls wrote: Even with a pretty much unusable filter resonance
Which filter models did you try? According to the manual, some of the filters are tuned to self-oscillation at high resonance, some others aren't.
no it's not about self oscillation, i'll demo again tonight and try to explain what i mean.
It's basically no good for getting into the pocket with fat dubby bass sounds for example... Like RePro-1, what type of filter is it? the bass just vanishes when the resonance is turned up.
But the filter drive on Thorn is quite good, so i'll be using it a different way to my other subtractive synths, when dealing with bass sounds anyway i guess.
If i buy it. Need to demo more :P

recursive one
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Re: Thorn: Dmitry Sches' new synth!

Post Thu Oct 19, 2017 4:12 am

sqigls wrote:
recursive one wrote:
sqigls wrote: Even with a pretty much unusable filter resonance
Which filter models did you try? According to the manual, some of the filters are tuned to self-oscillation at high resonance, some others aren't.
no it's not about self oscillation, i'll demo again tonight and try to explain what i mean.
It's basically no good for getting into the pocket with fat dubby bass sounds for example... Like RePro-1, what type of filter is it? the bass just vanishes when the resonance is turned up.
But the filter drive on Thorn is quite good, so i'll be using it a different way to my other subtractive synths, when dealing with bass sounds anyway i guess.
If i buy it. Need to demo more :P
I didn't notice this when demoing, though I don't remember if I was specifically abusing resonance.

I mean that basically there are different filter models with different resonance - do they all have the same issue with bass?

Will defo demo it further as well. It surely one of the most interesting recent synth offerings, even despite the potential overlap with Diversion.
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bob bobwood
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1811 posts since 24 Apr, 2010 from Nottingham

Re: Thorn: Dmitry Sches' new synth!

Post Thu Oct 19, 2017 4:30 am

http://www.dmitrysches.com/
www - which will work.
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