PUSH 3 .... coming soon ? what could be added or improved ?

[Daags]

First and foremost, I'm just curious - because I am intending to buy a PUSH with the next LIVE update... what do PUSH 1 & 2 owners, and those who know the products well, think could be added to or improved on a PUSH 3 ?

wishlist stuff, or stuff you think is likely .... I'm curious to hear both.

Would be nice to get a good deal on PUSH 2 , if this PUSH 3 thing happens


---- reasons for querying this now, below ----

I'm wondering because we're approaching the roughly 2.5 year gap between the PUSH 1 release and the PUSH 2 refresh, and seems like a PUSH hardware update would dovetail nicely with the upcoming LIVE 10 release.

It is all but officially confirmed that Ableton LIVE 10 is going to be announced immenently, in all likeliness at the LOOP summit this November 10 - 12.

details here:
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So ... does anyone think we may see a PUSH 3 soon too ? as in early 2018

PUSH was released March 2013, PUSH 2 in November 2015. I suspect the public beta of LIVE 10 will be relatively lengthy, it wouldn't surprise me if it wasn't officially released - out of public beta period - until end of February, start of March.

so if we consider the PUSH release history as being roughly 2.5 years between the two models, a PUSH 3 release to coincide with the official LIVE 10 release (1st quarter 2018) would fall roughly into that 2.5 year bracket.

I'm not detailing these timelines to say its an inevitability, but rather to say that such an update wouldn't be any significantly quicker a 'refresh' than PUSH 2 was.

One timeline I'm not quite sure of though, is how much distance there was between the PUSH 2 announcement and it being available to purchase. I imagine the announcement probably preceded availability damn near immediately ? They have to announce something like LIVE 10 well in advance, by the very nature of a significant public beta testing period ... but hardware they can just drop, relatively quickly if not instantly ...

[pdxindy]

my guess... no Push 3 with Live 10

Push 1 had a number of teething pains, so Push 2 was needed to address some issues.

Or maybe there will be a Push Deluxe or something...

[SLiC]

If they follow what other controller makers are doing it’s bigger better displays, Built in audio I/o or the full Akai mpc approach, put a computer in it so it’s stand alone!

full MPE support is about the only thing that would interest me, somewhere between push and linnstrument (I sold Push and bought a 128) is the perfect tool!

[Daags]

my guess... no Push 3 with Live 10

Push 1 had a number of teething pains, so Push 2 was needed to address some issues.

Or maybe there will be a Push Deluxe or something...

a-ha ... hadn't realised there was that much of an element of 'problem fixing' in the PUSH 2.


Push Deluxe ... who knows. How well did the NI equivalent work out for them ?

If they follow what other controller makers are doing it’s bigger better displays, Built in audio I/o or the full Akai mpc approach, put a computer in it so it’s stand alone!

full MPE support is about the only thing that would interest me, somewhere between push and linnstrument (I sold Push and bought a 128) is the perfect tool!

Back around June, an ableton user over at their forum said he was told by Ableton support that full MPE support wasn't planned (for LIVE). Though he didn't specify if he was referring to LIVE 9 specifically ....

would be disappointing if they don't implement full MPE support (in fact I assumed it was already there when I saw the keywords 'Ableton', 'Update' and 'ROLI Blocks' together in a headline) in LIVE 10 .... if they do implement it though, seems like a reasonable justification (amongst other enhancements) for a PUSH 3 near or shortfly after LIVE 10 release.

Linnstrument looks great. I'd already own one if it was natively supported in LIVE (i optimistically assume there's some hacky M4L routes in ?) ....

[pdxindy]

If they follow what other controller makers are doing it’s bigger better displays, Built in audio I/o or the full Akai mpc approach, put a computer in it so it’s stand alone!

full MPE support is about the only thing that would interest me, somewhere between push and linnstrument (I sold Push and bought a 128) is the perfect tool!

Back around June, an ableton user over at their forum said he was told by Ableton support that full MPE support wasn't planned (for LIVE). Though he didn't specify if he was referring to LIVE 9 specifically ....

would be disappointing if they don't implement full MPE support (in fact I assumed it was already there when I saw the keywords 'Ableton', 'Update' and 'ROLI Blocks' together in a headline) in LIVE 10 .... if they do implement it though, seems like a reasonable justification (amongst other enhancements) for a PUSH 3 near or shortfly after LIVE 10 release.

Linnstrument looks great. I'd already own one if it was natively supported in LIVE (i optimistically assume there's some hacky M4L routes in ?) ....

If Live 10 does not get full MPE support, there is no chance I will upgrade. The Linnstrument is by far the most satisfying controller I have ever used.

If Live did get full MPE support... then I would have to consider it...

Hell, both Push 1 and 2 can output Poly Aftertouch, but Live cannot even record that. And Live would have to add midi channel support to properly support MPE. Seems rather unlikely but I would be happy to be wrong.

[bungle]

Live 10 has an IOS lighter version, the Push 3 has no screen but uses an Ipad instead.

[Echoes in the Attic]

If they follow what other controller makers are doing it’s bigger better displays, Built in audio I/o or the full Akai mpc approach, put a computer in it so it’s stand alone!

full MPE support is about the only thing that would interest me, somewhere between push and linnstrument (I sold Push and bought a 128) is the perfect tool!

Back around June, an ableton user over at their forum said he was told by Ableton support that full MPE support wasn't planned (for LIVE). Though he didn't specify if he was referring to LIVE 9 specifically ....

would be disappointing if they don't implement full MPE support (in fact I assumed it was already there when I saw the keywords 'Ableton', 'Update' and 'ROLI Blocks' together in a headline) in LIVE 10 .... if they do implement it though, seems like a reasonable justification (amongst other enhancements) for a PUSH 3 near or shortfly after LIVE 10 release.

Linnstrument looks great. I'd already own one if it was natively supported in LIVE (i optimistically assume there's some hacky M4L routes in ?) ....

If Live 10 does not get full MPE support, there is no chance I will upgrade. The Linnstrument is by far the most satisfying controller I have ever used.

If Live did get full MPE support... then I would have to consider it...

Hell, both Push 1 and 2 can output Poly Aftertouch, but Live cannot even record that. And Live would have to add midi channel support to properly support MPE. Seems rather unlikely but I would be happy to be wrong.

If Live went full MPE and Push 3 was like a linnstrument where the grid squares were connected allowing bending from one note to another, I'd switch back to Live from Bitwig as well. Using everything in one controller like that would be great.

[Daags]

Ableton LIVE's midi is limited in sysex too ...


If they don't have full MPE in LIVE 10 ... that will be quite the ommission ... Hard to imagine a midi-engine upgrade that would allow full MPE integration coming in anything but a major update, so if we're waiting another 4ish years for the next major update, that's a long time to stay behind the controller curve.

I dunno, I feel optimistic that it's coming.

If they do add full MPE to a PUSH hardware update, I hope it's not going to mean joining the pads into one giant pad ala linnstrument and roli blocks .... if they want to do something like that I'd prefer if they make a dedicated linnstrument-like product of their own (SLIDE), or just leave it to roger & roli. I want the PUSH hardware to remain in a kind of beatbox mpc-like paradigm.

[Echoes in the Attic]

Ableton LIVE's midi is limited in sysex too ...


If they don't have full MPE in LIVE 10 ... that will be quite the ommission ... Hard to imagine a midi-engine upgrade that would allow full MPE integration coming in anything but a major update, so if we're waiting another 4ish years for the next major update, that's a long time to stay behind the controller curve.

I dunno, I feel optimistic that it's coming.

If they do add full MPE to a PUSH hardware update, I hope it's not going to mean joining the pads into one giant pad ala linnstrument and roli blocks .... if they want to do something like that I'd prefer if they make a dedicated linnstrument-like product of their own (SLIDE), or just leave it to roger & roli. I want the PUSH hardware to remain in a kind of beatbox mpc-like paradigm.

But what would stop it from being that if they were joined together? Why do you need spaces between the pads in order to program beats with it? I'm sure they wouldn't do something that lost the ability to use as drum pads.

[Daags]

Ableton LIVE's midi is limited in sysex too ...


If they don't have full MPE in LIVE 10 ... that will be quite the ommission ... Hard to imagine a midi-engine upgrade that would allow full MPE integration coming in anything but a major update, so if we're waiting another 4ish years for the next major update, that's a long time to stay behind the controller curve.

I dunno, I feel optimistic that it's coming.

If they do add full MPE to a PUSH hardware update, I hope it's not going to mean joining the pads into one giant pad ala linnstrument and roli blocks .... if they want to do something like that I'd prefer if they make a dedicated linnstrument-like product of their own (SLIDE), or just leave it to roger & roli. I want the PUSH hardware to remain in a kind of beatbox mpc-like paradigm.

But what would stop it from being that if they were joined together? Why do you need spaces between the pads in order to program beats with it? I'm sure they wouldn't do something that lost the ability to use as drum pads.

I need spaces between the pads on my beat box controller for the same reason I need frets on my bass guitar.

[DJ Warmonger]

I don't think it's coming anytime soon, Push 2 is too fresh. Last time Ableton rolled out the whole trade-in progam, that's quite some effort and costs.

[pdxindy]

Ableton LIVE's midi is limited in sysex too ...


If they don't have full MPE in LIVE 10 ... that will be quite the ommission ... Hard to imagine a midi-engine upgrade that would allow full MPE integration coming in anything but a major update, so if we're waiting another 4ish years for the next major update, that's a long time to stay behind the controller curve.

I dunno, I feel optimistic that it's coming.

If they do add full MPE to a PUSH hardware update, I hope it's not going to mean joining the pads into one giant pad ala linnstrument and roli blocks .... if they want to do something like that I'd prefer if they make a dedicated linnstrument-like product of their own (SLIDE), or just leave it to roger & roli. I want the PUSH hardware to remain in a kind of beatbox mpc-like paradigm.

But what would stop it from being that if they were joined together? Why do you need spaces between the pads in order to program beats with it? I'm sure they wouldn't do something that lost the ability to use as drum pads.

I need spaces between the pads on my beat box controller for the same reason I need frets on my bass guitar.

The gap between pads on my Linnstrument is about the width of a fret... so you are good to go!

[Daags]

Oh .... I didn't realise linnstrument had such gaps ... I just assumed the grid was printed on one continuous surface. That's kool

[pdxindy]

Oh .... I didn't realise linnstrument had such gaps ... I just assumed the grid was printed on one continuous surface. That's kool

There is a groove between pads for tactile reasons... maybe underneath it is one continuous surface... and the gap could be a bit bigger, but too much and it would get odd to slide across.

Also, the Linnstrument pads are small... of course they could be bigger. I suppose it would get more costly then. I'm happy with them as is, but for someone with big fingers, maybe they might like them a little larger.

The Linnstrument is excellent for drums... cause of the expressive control.

[Echoes in the Attic]

Ableton LIVE's midi is limited in sysex too ...


If they don't have full MPE in LIVE 10 ... that will be quite the ommission ... Hard to imagine a midi-engine upgrade that would allow full MPE integration coming in anything but a major update, so if we're waiting another 4ish years for the next major update, that's a long time to stay behind the controller curve.

I dunno, I feel optimistic that it's coming.

If they do add full MPE to a PUSH hardware update, I hope it's not going to mean joining the pads into one giant pad ala linnstrument and roli blocks .... if they want to do something like that I'd prefer if they make a dedicated linnstrument-like product of their own (SLIDE), or just leave it to roger & roli. I want the PUSH hardware to remain in a kind of beatbox mpc-like paradigm.

But what would stop it from being that if they were joined together? Why do you need spaces between the pads in order to program beats with it? I'm sure they wouldn't do something that lost the ability to use as drum pads.

I need spaces between the pads on my beat box controller for the same reason I need frets on my bass guitar.

You need gaps between pads so that the notes are played at exact semi-tones rather than continuous pitch like a violin? I don't see how the gap provides this functionality with an electronic controller. That is purely up to the design of the instrument. Even the roli seaboard quantizes pitch input, as does the linnstrument. Gaps aren't responsible or this behavior.

The cool thing about the size of the push pads is that they are just big enough to play drum hits with two fingers for faster sequences. That's harder with the linnstrument. Push should leave it's pads the same size but allow gliding between them. Would such an awesome controller.