Roland Cloud

[JJ_Jettflow]

Not agree with me, just not be continuously negative. Give credit where credit is due.

I enjoy giving credit when it is due... IMO the main purpose of Roland is to keep people on the hook and paying paying and paying. Their business model is all about planned obsolescence.

Then there was the complaint about having to be tethered to the internet 24/7 so now they have a feature where you only have to check-in once a week at a time convenient for you. Lennar Digital checks your PC every time you load up Sylenth 1 for the entire duration of the rent-to-own agreement. After that it no longer checks. Yet I do not see as complaints about that with the Lennar Digital rent-to-own deal than with the Roland, yet the Roland is now better because it is once a week; not every time lie Lennar Digital is.

For one, anyone can go out and buy Sylenth if they want to. Second, they are not also buying into a subscription model designed to be an endless revenue stream keeping people paying $20 or more per month for years to come.

You can do the same with RC. Join, pay $20 a month and get your plug right away and after 12 payments it's yours. No one is telling you to have to use all the plugs if don't want. Like you said you would never pay $240 for a Roland plug. Well, I feel the same about spending $190 for Serum...not worth it. But I am not bashing Xfr am I? No, I'm not.

You just want everything your way and when its not, you just bash it.

[D-Fusion]

I wonder what will change when the Cloud and Storm Subscription is ready?
The only option now is Core Subscription and no mention about the other 2 which says coming soon.

[pdxindy]

You can do the same with RC.

No, you cannot... unlike Sylenth, you cannot just purchase the plugin if you want... plus Sylenth costs $75 less than an RC plugin.

[JJ_Jettflow]

You can do the same with RC.

No, you cannot... unlike Sylenth, you cannot just purchase the plugin if you want... plus Sylenth costs $75 less than an RC plugin.

Cost is subjective. I think the Roland plugs are worth what I will pay for it (which is nothing, it is a gift for 12 months of consecutive payments for RC), you do not. Like I said, subjective.

[JJ_Jettflow]

d/p

[JJ_Jettflow]

Some people were commenting about how they had bought hardware with the assumption that they would be able to buy the plug-outs. They stated now they cannot so I wrote Roland Cloud via FB and this is their answer:

"Roland Cloud When the System-1 and System-8 were rolled out, the plug-outs were available only via the Roland Content Store, and there is still a discount for those plug-outs for original purchasers of the System-8 and System-1."

So I think it is worth any System 8/1 owners get in touch with Roland Cloud to get more details. I do not own such hardware so I am not looking into this further.

[SoundGoddess]

admittedly i do like the sound of RC but seeing as i already own K11U and VC5 it kinda seems like a nice distraction vs something worth paying an ongoing monthly fee for. but they are giving me 60 days to fool around with it for free so i might as well enjoy it for the time being.

i did try mapping the anthology stuff to my controllers but it seems to only save it on a per-preset basis so you have to re-save any presets you want to use with a controller. and the legendary series has weird knobs where you have to do a motion with your mouse. so i am getting this distinct vibe that they are making it arbitrarily inconvenient to give their plug-out tech a bit of an edge for using the cloud service.

which is ok i guess, but that makes it hard for me to justify a higher monthly fee for that stuff. i mean if i was going to go in that direction it really isn't much more to finance a system-1 for few months and own the thing outright vs needing a cloud service.

so if i do end up buying into the roland vibe i'd prolly prefer like a TR-8 or some of the cute mini synths from the boutique line vs. more soft synths. then maybe i could use the computer less and some hardware a bit more, i am really liking my minilogue so i can kinda see how the volcas and boutiques could eventually give me a nice range of hardware instruments to play with.

i do feel really spoiled now in 2017 vs thinking back to the 90s what it took to make a nice analog synth sound.

[Jace-BeOS]

...I think the Roland plugs are worth what I will pay for it (which is nothing, it is a gift for 12 months of consecutive payments for RC)

Wait. What? That statement seems not to make sense. It's not a gift, and it's not "nothing", if you're paying 12 months of consecutive payments.

[beely]

Wait. What? That statement seems not to make sense. It's not a gift, and it's not "nothing", if you're paying 12 months of consecutive payments.

Not hard to understand. The Cloud service is a 12-month subscription that lets you access all the plugins.

Now, it is *still* a monthly subscription service you pay for to access all the plugins. But you now also get, for no extra charge, at the end of 12-months, a permanent license to a plugin of your choice.

[shroom81]

Installed this yesterday and while the synths do sound really good there is only one I would even consider programming myself and that is the D-50, all the others and I'd be blind in a few day's looking at those pos gui's.... Only reason I gave this a shot is the free trial, f**k subscription based greed.

[VariKusBrainZ]

Wait. What? That statement seems not to make sense. It's not a gift, and it's not "nothing", if you're paying 12 months of consecutive payments.

Not hard to understand. The Cloud service is a 12-month subscription that lets you access all the plugins.

Now, it is *still* a monthly subscription service you pay for to access all the plugins. But you now also get, for no extra charge, at the end of 12-months, a permanent license to a plugin of your choice.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doublethink

[RichN]

Installed this yesterday and while the synths do sound really good there is only one I would even consider programming myself and that is the D-50, all the others and I'd be blind in a few day's looking at those pos gui's.... Only reason I gave this a shot is the free trial, f**k subscription based greed.

What's driving me nuts is that the gui's won't remember what size I have set in the options menu. Even when I close the instrument's gui (which I've set at 175%) for a second and re-open it, it's back at 100% again, but within an ugly 175% sized white rectangle. Then I have to go to the settings again and re-click the (still selected) 175% option. This is on my iMac, in Bitwig, vst3 (the only available format for these Roland plugins).

This is not the kind of bug one would expect in this stage of development.

[Ingonator]

This is on my iMac, in Bitwig, vst3 (the only available format for these Roland plugins).

Here in Windows 10 i also got VST2 plugins for the Roland plugins. The location for the VST2 coudl be set at one of the first pages in the installer. With the very first Roland plugin versions it was not possible to set the location and you had to move it manually from the default location.

Concerning GUI and GUI scaling most Roland plugins indeed still have problems while it seems to work properly with the D-50 plugin (which for me is the most used from the Roland plugins and second one is the Jupiter-8).

[RichN]

I inquired about that at Roland support, and they told me in MacOS only the VST3 format is available.

Unfortunately even the D-50 plugin GUI sizes behave incorrectly.

[VariKusBrainZ]

Installed and checked them out.
Those GUIs are a disaster in this day and age.
Increasing the size just enlarges the pixels so you get a blurry image at anything larger than the standard 100% which is pretty small to start with.

Arturia look and importantly sound alot better IMO, and way cheaper