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wagtunes · Post by **wagtunes** » Tue Oct 31, 2017 2:34 pm

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ZaBong69 · Post by **ZaBong69** » Tue Oct 31, 2017 3:55 pm

ariston wrote:I'm getting frequent crashes in Reaper when editing the harmonic filter (and playing simultaneously). Given that Dmitry is very dedicated, I'm sure this will be taken care of.

I too had some Ableton crashes, but it is not the stablest of environments, is it? On Bitwig, so far no problems except a small glitch when windows open with a large black frame.

ZaBong69 · Post by **ZaBong69** » Tue Oct 31, 2017 3:56 pm

ariston wrote: - I've already said this elsewhere, but the distortion module needs to be more subtle. It's the same with Tantra, just enabling it distorts the sound right away. Sometimes, I'd like just a touch of subtle tube distortion, and that's just not possible with it the way it is. Setting the mix knob down low is not enough.

Yep, agreed, where the Dune 2 distortion is too well behaved, the Thorn one rips any sound apart too much. I'd prefer a more subtler approach, but then, this synth is called Thorn, and it should at least have some beef in the distortion compartment.

Routing options around the harmonic filter would be nice, as would be a one shot mode for the MSEG, but as I said in my review, I am currently not missing much in this synth, considering what it intends to be. If I want to loose myself in sound design completely, instead of making music, there is always Avenger, Bazille or Zebra 2.

Stefken · Post by **Stefken** » Tue Oct 31, 2017 4:01 pm

grymmjack · Post by **grymmjack** » Tue Oct 31, 2017 4:49 pm

Stefken wrote:vid

Hey thanks for posting a link to my video. You beat me to the punch. I've been ill recently. Hopefully someone finds the video helpful.

Thank you Stefken.

Stefken · Post by **Stefken** » Tue Oct 31, 2017 5:00 pm

grymmjack wrote:
Stefken wrote:vid
Hey thanks for posting a link to my video. You beat me to the punch. I've been ill recently. Hopefully someone finds the video helpful.

Thank you Stefken.

I actually loved it. Very insightful and shows off your skills and knowledge in the synth realm.

ZaBong69 · Post by **ZaBong69** » Tue Oct 31, 2017 5:51 pm

I don‘t know in it is widely known already but the noise oscillator can load single cycle waveforms... so for those who need full spectrum saws and square waves, there is a way.

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Caine123 · Post by **Caine123** » Tue Oct 31, 2017 9:52 pm

i finally demo'ed it and i gotta say it really is nice!!!!

but!

the sound is really something which i think justifies the current price, it's very metallic and harsh. i wouldnt use it to fully do a song only with this synth. only to add some enhancements.

2nd, i miss the randomize function from tantra! it would be great if random buttons would be added.... then i would buy it, atm without them no, too many other synths which sound better and have more options.

sqigls · Post by **sqigls** » Wed Nov 01, 2017 1:36 am

Caine123 wrote:i finally demo'ed it and i gotta say it really is nice!!!!

but!

the sound is really something which i think justifies the current price, it's very metallic and harsh. i wouldnt use it to fully do a song only with this synth. only to add some enhancements.

2nd, i miss the randomize function from tantra! it would be great if random buttons would be added.... then i would buy it, atm without them no, too many other synths which sound better and have more options.

it's what you make it.
can take the edge off pretty easy, in various ways.

i think better than trying to put edge on a round fluffy sounding synth.
I'm making full songs with Thorn and it's totally easy to do.

sqigls · Post by **sqigls** » Wed Nov 01, 2017 3:16 am

grymmjack wrote:
Stefken wrote:vid
Hey thanks for posting a link to my video. You beat me to the punch. I've been ill recently. Hopefully someone finds the video helpful.

Thank you Stefken.

Thanks for the vid bro! Good for people who might not have read the manual yet

sqigls · Post by **sqigls** » Wed Nov 01, 2017 3:56 am

version 1.02:
Nothing has changed, just a special build for KVROsc contest

http://dmitrysches.com/files/download/Thorn_Win_102.zip

http://dmitrysches.com/files/download/Thorn_Mac_102.zip

Daru925 · Post by **Daru925** » Wed Nov 01, 2017 4:23 am

sqigls wrote:version 1.02:
Nothing has changed, just a special build for KVROsc contest

http://dmitrysches.com/files/download/Thorn_Win_102.zip

http://dmitrysches.com/files/download/Thorn_Mac_102.zip

Wait what? Spoiler?

Touch The Universe · Post by **Touch The Universe** » Wed Nov 01, 2017 4:24 am

DJ Warmonger · Post by **DJ Warmonger** » Wed Nov 01, 2017 10:27 am

I saw a video yesterday and I'm impressed. Finally additive synth with conventional controls, often dervied from Serum. Unlike Loom and Harmor, which are both rather WTF to use.
It's not like I'm going to sell or replace these anytime soon, but if I was collecting synths today, I'd consider Thorn.

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Wed Nov 01, 2017 12:03 pm

DJ Warmonger wrote:I saw a video yesterday and I'm impressed. Finally additive synth with conventional controls, often dervied from Serum. Unlike Loom and Harmor, which are both rather WTF to use.

The additive waveform editors in Serum and Icarus are very similar, same with some other synths like e.g. Linplug Spectral and PPG Wavegenerator. While they offer much less partials also the additive editors in e.g. Arturia Synclavier V, Ableton Operator and Tone2 Nemesis are comparable.
Waldorf Nave has a 3D display where you could edit the partials of multiple or all waveforms in a wavetable at the same time opposing to editing a single waveforms like in the other synths mentioned.

Complex additive synths like e.g. that in Alchemy (before it was sold to Apple), Cameleon 5000 (discontinued) and others (AFAIK also the hardware Kawai K5000) had an amp envelope for each of the partials whichh allowed changing the timbre er the time. Of course using a filter for this is more simple but at least in theory a complex additive synth does not need a filter.
Since Alchemy (at least for Windows), Cameleon 5000 and recently also DiscoDSP Vertigo seem to have been discontinued and/or "disppeared" i think there would be need for a complex additve synth again.
With Alchemy and Cameleon 5000 i remember that they offered importing samples to a complex additive engine with envelopes for each partial. IL Harmor seems to be able to do this too while i never owned this softsynth so far.
In hardware synths only the Kawai K5000 seemed to be close to such a complex additive engine while it also added filters and sample playback. Something like a K5000 as software would be great while Alchemy might have been close somehow (still sad that it is only available for OSX now and there only for Logic).

Compared to the bunch of other wavetable synth i own (including e.g. Icaruzs, Seum, Wavegenerator and the Waldorf plugins) the only really special feature in Thorn seems to be the harmonic filter which as i alraedy mentioened reminds me of the drawale filter in Spectral or teh FFT filter in Avenger.
Anyway a synth with a huge amount of filter modes like e.g. Icarus (which is also avaiable as a dual multimode filter) is able to come close to such a harmonic filter.

Besides that certain changes to the spectrum over time is exactly what wavetable synthesis is made for and both Icarus and Serum offer up to 256 waveforms in a wavetable opposing to the 16 available in Thorn (if i didn't miss that it is possible to add more there...). The Morph modes in Icarus also offer a bunch of options to change the spectrum over the time (if you modulate the Morph mode amount with a modulator).

Personally after having checked the demo i had decided that based on the bunch of other wavetable synths i alraedy own (inckluding 2 hardware synths) i currently do not really have a need for buying Thorn which might change in the future.

FWIW i had owned Diversion in the past (AFAIK shortly after it was released) and sold it it later due to having rarely used it even if the synth engine was quite powerful.

Thorn: Dmitry Sches' new synth!