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waiting man · Post by **waiting man** » Tue Oct 31, 2017 5:09 pm

Drop me a line when it works...

https://itunes.apple.com/it/app/midique ... 50367?mt=8

(edit: leave me asleep, spending 135€ circa to control two 80€ hw instruments isn’t my cup of tea)

Jace-BeOS · Post by **Jace-BeOS** » Tue Oct 31, 2017 9:00 pm

MIDIQuesti???

Questi??

It's unreliable on desktop, though it does certainly work and offers something almost no other product offers any more (since Apple killed SoundDiver)... but i imagine porting it to iPad introduced a LOT of new bugs.

What's with the pricing? Listed as free-ish ("GET") but says "Offers In-App Purchases", which has ZERO explanation for in the app description or details. Guess i will have to download it to see how bad this is... i presume they want users to buy each device support in-app as a separate purchase. Not a bad model, since not everyone has the hundreds of MIDI devices the desktop software claims to support (and does support to certain degrees), but their track record with development, GUI design, and stability on desktop OSes is not super encouraging and iOS is an even faster moving target...

Jace-BeOS · Post by **Jace-BeOS** » Tue Oct 31, 2017 9:14 pm

Well, i can install all my devices without being asked to pay, but there's a "refresh purchases" button in the settings panel... This is mysterious... I'll have to hook up to my hardware to test further, but the GUI is generally just as confounding as the desktop version seems to be (someone tell me what the difference is between the three choices of memory configurations i get asked about when installing devices, which I've never seen on the desktop versions I've used at various times).

My experience with the desktop version on other people's computers has never inspired me to spend the insane price for the product myself, even with the upgrade pricing I'm entitled to because of my ancient Atari ST license. I'm still trying to figure out how they're trying to get money from me on this iPad version...

Jace-BeOS · Post by **Jace-BeOS** » Tue Oct 31, 2017 9:21 pm

Wow... the editor graphics are really showing their low-resolution origins when viewed on a device with a retina-display... Hard to look at, as is the text, which should be drawn live, not be bitmaps

.

And it keeps getting worse: i just tried to use the TC Helicon VoiceWorksPlus editor and found myself unable to get back to the device selector screen. There's no toolbar at all. Even force-quitting the app and restarting it just brings it right back to the same mode.

Like the current reviews state: ALPHA QUALITY.

i really REALLY do not understand the SoundQuest people. It's like they want to hurt themselves.

waiting man · Post by **waiting man** » Tue Oct 31, 2017 10:02 pm

The studio file is not opening, when I zoom the gui elements become untweakable, small entry lists will make users worship Satan and as you wrote the purchase button is asleep.

Despite the wreckage and the crippled controls my dirty K1rII is working

but yeah I gave up before trying the tg55,
gui operativity is mostly a disaster.

Plus it has an200 and not dx200.
I say...

(for the records, I’m not in love with Patch Base prices and it doesn’t have the three supersexy machines mentioned...anyway Midi Quest costs as an old ipad so they probably made the math and decided to play ball

)

waiting man · Post by **waiting man** » Wed Nov 01, 2017 12:55 am

prices

daveother · Post by **daveother** » Wed Nov 01, 2017 3:34 am

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waiting man wrote:prices (http://www.squest.com/Products/MidiQuest_iPad/Instruments.html)

They're way too used to having people over a barrel, I predict this will fail and be abandonware within 6 months.
Very few people will be willing to deal with the painful interface and buggy environment, let alone pay almost as much as some of these synths cost for an editor.

Jace-BeOS · Post by **Jace-BeOS** » Wed Nov 01, 2017 3:55 am

I don't see prices on that page. Just a list of supported devices.

elassi · Post by **elassi** » Wed Nov 01, 2017 4:03 am

Jace-BeOS wrote:I don't see prices on that page. Just a list of supported devices.

Click on any device. The price is somewhere at the end of the heap of text.

Virus 69$, I'm laughing my ass off. [edited].

edit: English...as most of the time.
edit2: Wrong func assumption

dayjob · Post by **dayjob** » Wed Nov 01, 2017 8:01 am

i have midiquest 10 (?) i think installed on the desktop machine and once or twice i was able to use it productively but mostly it just didn't work or was difficult to penetrate. it's a difficult task to make intuitive editors for older machines with multi level architectures etc etc..

i sent them an email once w/a support request and got a reply that had exclamation points in it complaining about apple OS updates breaking 3rd party software functionality.

i get it.. everyone needs to vent now and then but save it for the water cooler.. virtual or otherwise.

anyway.. it's surprising to see this on the app store after hearing their complaints.

Jace-BeOS · Post by **Jace-BeOS** » Wed Nov 01, 2017 11:30 pm

dayjob wrote:i have midiquest 10 (?) i think installed on the desktop machine and once or twice i was able to use it productively but mostly it just didn't work or was difficult to penetrate. it's a difficult task to make intuitive editors for older machines with multi level architectures etc etc..

i sent them an email once w/a support request and got a reply that had exclamation points in it complaining about apple OS updates breaking 3rd party software functionality.

i get it.. everyone needs to vent now and then but save it for the water cooler.. virtual or otherwise.

anyway.. it's surprising to see this on the app store after hearing their complaints.

They're trying to make a buck with low effort.

Sound Quest · Post by **Sound Quest** » Sat Nov 11, 2017 9:11 am

Jace-BeOS wrote:Wow... the editor graphics are really showing their low-resolution origins when viewed on a device with a retina-display... Hard to look at, as is the text, which should be drawn live, not be bitmaps .

And it keeps getting worse: i just tried to use the TC Helicon VoiceWorksPlus editor and found myself unable to get back to the device selector screen. There's no toolbar at all. Even force-quitting the app and restarting it just brings it right back to the same mode.

For the majority of the editors, the text is drawn live with iOS. The dozen or so editors designed by Psicraft use bitmap rendered text. That was their development choice but if you have a look at more of the editors you will see that it is not the norm.

As for exiting what we call a "custom editor", two finder tap on the interface where there isn't a control and you will get a pop-up menu of options. The first is "Back" which will take you would of the editor. Starting with the 1.0.3 release, tapping in the upper left corner of the editor will close it.

Sound Quest · Post by **Sound Quest** » Sat Nov 11, 2017 9:18 am

Jace-BeOS wrote:Well, i can install all my devices without being asked to pay, but there's a "refresh purchases" button in the settings panel... This is mysterious... I'll have to hook up to my hardware to test further, but the GUI is generally just as confounding as the desktop version seems to be (someone tell me what the difference is between the three choices of memory configurations i get asked about when installing devices, which I've never seen on the desktop versions I've used at various times).

My experience with the desktop version on other people's computers has never inspired me to spend the insane price for the product myself, even with the upgrade pricing I'm entitled to because of my ancient Atari ST license. I'm still trying to figure out how they're trying to get money from me on this iPad version...

The "refresh purchases" button is an option requested by Apple for software which has in-app purchases. It allows licenses to be moved to an iPad other than the one where the purchases were made.

The memory configurations are only displayed for instruments which require them. They are the equivalent of clicking on "Default Set" in the desktop version and selecting a different configuration before creating or loading SysEx. These options weren't around in the days of the Atari. "Default Set" is almost always all of the RAM data for the instrument so all of the RAM banks and editor buffers for the instrument. The most frequent second option is "RAM + ROM" where an instrument also has ROM banks which can be loaded as well. Selecting the "RAM + ROM" option will create bank space for loading the ROM SysEx as well.

VariKusBrainZ · Post by **VariKusBrainZ** » Sat Nov 11, 2017 11:42 am

waiting man wrote:prices

One of them is $99

Doomed to fail

VariKusBrainZ · Post by **VariKusBrainZ** » Sat Nov 11, 2017 11:46 am

And you can still buy Infinity !!!
It barely functioned as advertised back then, what must it be like on a modern OS 15 years later

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