Vengeance Producer Suite - AVENGER - 1.8.5 the main thread

[noiseboyuk]

its like talking to the wall .

Indeed it is. As far as I can tel, you've never posted:

OS
Detailed patch info (or none)
Detailed system specs
Whether or not the GUI open

...and then send the lot to VPS support.

But to be fair, you have at least now said it's a granular patch. So on second thoughts, it's likely not worth the bother sending all that info to tech support. Why? You say its a granular patch (which tends to be CPU hungry on all synths), and the CPU is terrible next to all your other synths. Well, um, the following synths you mentioned do not actually have any granular mode at all: repro-1, predetor 2, zebra 2 ,sylenth1 ,synthmaster1 , synthmaster 2 , littleone. The only synth from your list that does is Omni 2 (and Maschine 2 is not a synth at all).

So how about doing some kind of meaningful A/B test first before wasting anyone else's time? Just a thought.

Or if you prefer, you can keep on ing.

[wagtunes]

its like talking to the wall .

Indeed it is. As far as I can tel, you've never posted:

OS
Detailed patch info (or none)
Detailed system specs
Whether or not the GUI open

...and then send the lot to VPS support.

But to be fair, you have at least now said it's a granular patch. So on second thoughts, it's likely not worth the bother sending all that info to tech support. Why? You say its a granular patch (which tends to be CPU hungry on all synths), and the CPU is terrible next to all your other synths. Well, um, the following synths you mentioned do not actually have any granular mode at all: repro-1, predetor 2, zebra 2 ,sylenth1 ,synthmaster1 , synthmaster 2 , littleone. The only synth from your list that does is Omni 2 (and Maschine 2 is not a synth at all).

So how about doing some kind of meaningful A/B test first before wasting anyone else's time? Just a thought.

Or if you prefer, you can keep on ing.

I have to agree. If the problem is granular, the ONLY granular synth (and it's not really a synth) that is CPU efficient is The Mangle and that's because granular is the ONLY thing it does.

Omni's granular mode can cause the plugin to crackle if you push it just a little bit and I'm on a high end machine since my upgrade.

Granular, in short, is a CPU pig. You have to be extremely careful with it. I'm sure I can get Avenger to bring my CPU to its knees if did enough to it while using the granular mode.

[Examigan]

I am super polite

Saying "stop selling us crap" is polite?

[100tifiko]

I am excited for the new update 1.2.6 with the filter and the roll for the drums it's going to be great can't wait to make some new sounds with the comb filter

[100tifiko]

I don't have a problem with CPU usage I made presets that only take 15% and they sound great it's how you use your tools. You got know how to use your tools. Instead of using 4 OSC I use 2 and use the chorus for detune and also the set vibrato in independent give it more detune to make nice pads.

[Hanz Meyzer]

To be fair, the granular section is new and also was a FREE bonus. I did not forget that. Still your attitude against any further optimization seems to be kind of provocating, since you (all) easily can compare this synth with similar competitive synths (e.g. Zebra). Put a manalyzer onto it to see if it kind of matches the quality in antialiasing etc. This synth still cpu-spikes, even on a constant granular sound, no voices added. There is lot of headroom for optimization. It is already a great synth, and I can sample sounds which are too heavy. The sampler only sometimes seem to spike with some presets, seems to have improved. Still this synth is no working horse replacement, due too high cpu usage. It would be incredible, if this was improved.

[Amram]

i didnt use any granular , just the orginal presets from the first ver. now i have 1.2.5 ver.
i told here before what machine i am using. before , with all the respect for vengeance an their kindness , its absolutely and even It is inconceivable that avenger with its effects and drums and 2 osc , make the cpu spike.
even if u take eventide plugins and altiverb and d16 drums and more than 7 modern synth , u will not get to 50 precent of the cpu.
i dont have prob with the graphics i accept what msvs said before about that , its music soft and not graphic.
i am using 2 computers , one ativ book2 samsung , 8 gb , 3 ghz i5 and mac mini late 2014 i5 8gb 3ghz .

[sircuit]

i am using 2 computers , one ativ book2 samsung , 8 gb , 3 ghz i5 and mac mini late 2014 i5 8gb 3ghz .

Both computers have a dual-core CPU which, for music production in 2016, is pretty underwhelming. My laptop is quad core and still struggles with busy projects. I still think that Avenger takes way more GPU that should take - Macbook Pro's fans start spinning probably after 30 seconds of keeping Avenger GUI on screen and compared with a game, Avenger and Hitman tax my GPU almost equally - but I really don't expect it to perform too good on dual-core CPUs.

Some users report better performance with Intel graphics cards (most likely both of your computers have integrated version) rather than discrete ones. In your case it may be very well that GPU gets overheated and due to overall heat the entire system gets throttled and performs slower. I noticed that on my mac during the hot summer days.

[Amram]

i am using 2 computers , one ativ book2 samsung , 8 gb , 3 ghz i5 and mac mini late 2014 i5 8gb 3ghz .

Both computers have a dual-core CPU which, for music production in 2016, is pretty underwhelming. My laptop is quad core and still struggles with busy projects. I still think that Avenger takes way more GPU that should take - Macbook Pro's fans start spinning probably after 30 seconds of keeping Avenger GUI on screen and compared with a game, Avenger and Hitman tax my GPU almost equally - but I really don't expect it to perform too good on dual-core CPUs.

Some users report better performance with Intel graphics cards (most likely both of your computers have integrated version) rather than discrete ones. In your case it may be very well that GPU gets overheated and due to overall heat the entire system gets throttled and performs slower. I noticed that on my mac during the hot summer days.

i am not talking about here about complicate projects , just one channel . avenger isnt better from altiverb and eventide and more modern effects . i didnt see in the market synth like avenger , beside diva.
it cant be , if my computers can handle all the modern plugins with more than 100 channels , the problem is avenger with all the effects on it and the osc .
even discodsp 32 voices runs here very good and have super sound and all others plugins in the market that i tried here. there is no Excuse for avenger . even msvs said its the minimum , but minimum should at least play the factory content well , right.

[msvs]

@michaelbrac: still you send us no evidence you bought the plugin. I doubt it hereby! And even if you have: didnt you try the demo before? Your computer is too weak, period. If you have problems, contact the support. Trolling here wont get any solution for you.
There is not much left to optimize. Avenger takes what it takes, its physics. And your comparison is apples and oranges. You have to compare voice by voice with the same situation. You cant just say Avenger takes more cpu with 32 (!) voices of granular synthesis than "another plugin" which even has no granular on board?!
We didnt limit the plugin by design and gave users the possibility to create easily 100% CPU - if you want so. Just create 1000voices with 50 reverbs with a few clicks. Its possible. Why not. But it seems, this is too much responsibility for some.
This is the last post I will do about the topic.

[Warehouseparty]

@michael: The Samsung notebook is pretty basic, but should handle one instance at least, true.

What preset do you have problems with, what notes played?

Which ASIO latency settings do you use?

[ljpro1]

Is this guy using a hacked version of Avenger !. ? .

[Amram]

@michaelbrac: still you send us no evidence you bought the plugin. I doubt it hereby! And even if you have: didnt you try the demo before? Your computer is too weak, period. If you have problems, contact the support. Trolling here wont get any solution for you.
There is not much left to optimize. Avenger takes what it takes, its physics. And your comparison is apples and oranges. You have to compare voice by voice with the same situation. You cant just say Avenger takes more cpu with 32 (!) voices of granular synthesis than "another plugin" which even has no granular on board?!
We didnt limit the plugin by design and gave users the possibility to create easily 100% CPU - if you want so. Just create 1000voices with 50 reverbs with a few clicks. Its possible. Why not. But it seems, this is too much responsibility for some.
This is the last post I will do about the topic.

i ll send u right now for evidence and u will confirm here that i bought it .
edit: i dont think ill sell it for now , even if i could put avenger as a picture in my living room .

[msvs]

He is no direct customer from us. Seemed he purchased it 2nd hand. We have nothing from him in our customer database, not even his surname, adress etc. However he can submit a support question via email. He has the instructions where.

[Amram]

He is no direct customer from us. Seemed he purchased it 2nd hand. We have nothing from him in our customer database, not even his surname, adress etc. However he can submit a support question via email. He has the instructions where.

i bought 2 hand from kvr i gave u the email of the seller and my user name and my email adress.
the seller bought the transfer and i have the same rights , every company that is respect therself can put tag registration in the account like propllerhead and more .
even in propllerhead after i got secod hand license i can register it.
u got money for the transfer , funny .
its like i bought a car and the car still on the name of the first owner even i paid or the seller paid for the transfer.
suggetion :put tag in all acount for register.

edit:
@msvs said my email account where is the key and download is "not of intrest" after i sent him my emai.