Call to Arms: Charity 2017 ($37731 final result raised)

[TheSteven]

On a different topic:

I won bundles with soundbanks to several synthesizers I do not have and will not be acquiring. I knew what I was bidding on and I feel that got my money's worth regardless. The license is NFR. I know I cannot sell them but can I give the soundbanks away with a NFR license? Or, would I be able to put them up as donations for future charity events?

NO
NFR means they are yours and will always be yours. Not to be sold, given, traded or shared with others.
Besides even if it wasn't NFR - few if any vendors will let you break up a bundle.

[yellowmix]

When the donator contributed the item is irrelevant. It does not work out to be anything like strategic ad placement or preferential placement like you are implying.

In practice, it does. Luftrum was first, obviously, and Tritik was on top for nearly a month, and forever.

Also, this is not a physical store where you have spatial access or a website where you can view a page of images.

In physical spaces they still go by numbers because it's ultimately on a numbered list. Auction lots, Chinese takeout menus, all numbered. You ever see an alphabetized restaurant menu? Numbers scan and order faster.

However the Ctrl-F option is unavailable to iPad and cell phone users.

That's why you use the native search function, if it's called "find in page", or in iOS you use the magnifying glass-looking thing in Safari. If you don't know how to use your personal device that's frankly on you.

But scanning the donator listing is much more manageable than repeatedly having to scroll an entire unsorted list of donations.

Numbers still scan faster than entire or multiple words. Especially uncommon names. And again, you don't have to scroll at all if you search and it'll automatically scroll to it for you. Problem solved!

[strovoknights]

I'm waiting for HOFA License

[shidostrife]

The numbering system has no correlation with the item. It is arbitrary. Alphabetizing is based on what everyone knows, the first letter of the source. If I am interested in a product, I know the forst letter and look for it.

What I have suggested would make everyone's participation including Luftrum's easier.

It is not arbitrary. Numbering is for when the donator contributed, and is a visibility reward for contributing early. It also encourages people to look at the whole list, a reward to all donators for donating. Also, if bidders list the number with the bid, it's a linear search. Real-life auctions work off numbers, too (lot number).

The requirement is that the items are grouped under the donator, and the donator name is arbitrary. Is something filed under Modartt or Pianoteq? Just ctrl-f Pianoteq and there it is. Is something filed under Best Service or Eduardo Tarilonte or Cantus? Just ctrl-f Cantus and there it is. Is it filed under InMusic, AIR, Akai, Sonivox, ROLI, FXpansion, or whatever acquisitions happen in the future? Just ctrl-f whatever the product name is.

When the donator contributed the item is irrelevant. It does not work out to be anything like strategic ad placement or preferential placement like you are implying. Donators are not competing against one another. Also, this is not a physical store where you have spatial access or a website where you can view a page of images. It is a list and everything is compressed into a linear format. This translates to a crippling structure for the duration of the bidding where you are forced to scroll through the list multiple times. The Ctrl-F option is going to continue to work in conjunction with an alphabetized system. It would remain an option in either case. However the Ctrl-F option is unavailable to iPad and cell phone users.

The donator name is not arbitrary. There is typically a single donator per item. (i.e. It would be Modartt not Pianoteq) and (if it is even possible?) if for some reason a store like Best Service or Plugin Alliance or JRR happened to donate the same item as the creator or as other stores they would appear in alphabetical order and it would be up to the bidder to choose which they wanted to bid on. It is not a unique situation exacerbated by listing items by the donator. Even in this auction there were cases where a source did not offer every product they produced so you had to look at the donator to see whether their product of interest to you was listed. People know stores carry multiple products and creators frequently have multiple products. Obviously those donators will need to be scanned for things of interest. But scanning the donator listing is much more manageable than repeatedly having to scroll an entire unsorted list of donations.

Edited for spelling, clarity and typos.

If you have an item of interest and are curious whether they are in the pool or not, you could always ctrl+F. Ctrl+F is available on iPad and cellphone, it's called "find in page" or similar.
The item isn't there today? Check again tomorrow, scroll to the very bottom.

Because the donors do not answer all at once, it's best to sort them as it is now, from earliest to latest. Therefore, when I don't find my product of interest on day 3, I could just check the bottom of the post once everyday to see if my product of interest ever come.

Not to mention re-sorting is very tedious for the managing person.

[o0Ampy0o]

When the donator contributed the item is irrelevant. It does not work out to be anything like strategic ad placement or preferential placement like you are implying.

In practice, it does. Luftrum was first, obviously, and Tritik was on top for nearly a month, and forever.

This does not justify anything one way or another. It is simply a matter of fact. Luftrum was first. So he was first. How does knowing that help the charity system and help the auction process?

Also, this is not a physical store where you have spatial access or a website where you can view a page of images.

In physical spaces they still go by numbers because it's ultimately on a numbered list. Auction lots, Chinese takeout menus, all numbered. You ever see an alphabetized restaurant menu? Numbers scan and order faster.

A menu is not an unsorted list. It is categorized and assembled into an outline. The numbers serve a different purpose. They demarcate the individual items perhaps a step above a bullet point. They are not there to serve as reference for searching. They are sometimes used with a unique definition as in a certain sandwich or lunch combo. There can be multiple items sharing the same number (a #1 under Noodles, a #1 under Chicken or #1 Beef or #1 Pork, etc.). A #5 at a sandwich shop does not inform you of anything about what #5 is without a unique definition. A #5 at a pizza shop is unlikely to correlate to a #5 at another pizza shop.

If you don't know how to use your personal device that's frankly on you.

No need to get snarky here. Ctrl-F was mentioned multiple times. No where did I see it mentioned to use the iPad alternative. I will remind you that this is a charity event to raise money to benefit unfortunates. Adopting any sort of screw you attitude is counter-productive.

But scanning the donator listing is much more manageable than repeatedly having to scroll an entire unsorted list of donations.

Numbers still scan faster than entire or multiple words. Especially uncommon names. And again, you don't have to scroll at all if you search and it'll automatically scroll to it for you. Problem solved!

A number in and of itself is "dumb" it has no meaning aside from indicating a place in a sequence. A letter coincides with something relevant, the source of the item. An alphabetized list of donators is organized and easily navigated.

[TheSteven]

God save us all please give it a rest

[o0Ampy0o]

Because the donors do not answer all at once, it's best to sort them as it is now, from earliest to latest. Therefore, when I don't find my product of interest on day 3, I could just check the bottom of the post once everyday to see if my product of interest ever come.

Not to mention re-sorting is very tedious for the managing person.

Resorting is a matter of knowing the alphabet. A-Z. Newcomer G goes between F and H. Give them an asterix indicating they were new, list remains organized and newbie donators are highlighted for bidders old and new.

[o0Ampy0o]

God save us all please give it a rest

Spoken like an old dog unwilling to learn a new trick. Is anyone twisting your arm or chaining you to this thread? If you are not interested in this there are plenty of other things to do.

[EnGee]

Regarding what I received, well, I only been contacted by Nektar (the same day I sent my receipt to Luftrum!). What can I say? Great service from Nektar (and Justin), so nice and friendly Made me adding this Panorama to my wishlist:
https://www.musicplanet.co.nz/nektar-pa ... oller.html

Anyway, I believe from Monday I will start receive the links, instructions, ..etc. So, no need to hurry

Regarding the numbering system. I think it would make editing faster (sometimes faster and smoother than hitting F3 everytime). I thought to suggest this to Luftrum (Very small changes to what he is already doing). Let's take the first two entries with my suggestion in bold font:

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1. ​Luftrum​
Website: http://www.luftrum.com
Donating: $1000 to the pool + $400 in a Facebook advertising campaign for the charity. Also donating 5 x Luftrum All Bundles + Lunaris (~$550 value). Each bundle contains soundbanks for a variety of synths from Omnisphere 2 to U-He Diva, TAL U-No-LX, iZotope Iris 2, Prophet-6 and more. Also on auction is the English version of the charity diploma, it will pride your studio wall!
Luftrum cash donation: $1000
Luftrum All Bundle + Lunaris. High bidder:
Luftrum All Bundle + Lunaris. High bidder:
Luftrum All Bundle + Lunaris. High bidder:
Luftrum All Bundle + Lunaris. High bidder:
Luftrum All Bundle + Lunaris. High bidder:
English version of the Charity diploma. High bidder:

​2. Tritik​
Website: https://www.tritik.com/
Donating: Offering 3 coupon codes. Each coupon code can be used as payment to get one Tritik plugin free of choice, with a 100% discount.
Tritik Coupon Code. High bidder:
Tritik Coupon Code. High bidder:
Tritik Coupon Code. High bidder:

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Now, in order to make it work, all the bidders should write in one format, like:

Start of my post:
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1. Luftrum
Luftrum All Bundle + Lunaris : $180

2. Tritik
Tritik Coupon Code : $55

--------------------------------
End of my post

When entering (Luftrum) I think as I do, he starts from the last post till the check point. In case of two similar bids (on one item), I would ignore the last one, so to be fair, I would take the first bid in chronological order.

So, for example, bidder 1 has bid at 12:05 PM and bidder 2 has bid at 02:45 PM, and both has bid the same amount, of course it is the mistake of bidder 2 that didn't notice bidder 1. In this case I would ignore bidder 2 and write bidder 1 because he/she is first with the same amount of money.

Regarding on appending letters to know which is the first one who bids with a specific amount of money on multiple items. I don't know if it will make it easier for Luftrum to sort out or not. I think it is a good idea, on the long run because it minimize the mistakes might happen.

So, taking the two examples above, it might be entered like this:

1. ​Luftrum​
Website: http://www.luftrum.com
Donating: $1000 to the pool + $400 in a Facebook advertising campaign for the charity. Also donating 5 x Luftrum All Bundles + Lunaris (~$550 value). Each bundle contains soundbanks for a variety of synths from Omnisphere 2 to U-He Diva, TAL U-No-LX, iZotope Iris 2, Prophet-6 and more. Also on auction is the English version of the charity diploma, it will pride your studio wall!
Luftrum cash donation: $1000
Luftrum All Bundle + Lunaris. High bidder: a. bidder 1 $180
Luftrum All Bundle + Lunaris. High bidder: b. bidder 2 $180
Luftrum All Bundle + Lunaris. High bidder: b. bidder 4 $200
Luftrum All Bundle + Lunaris. High bidder: a. bidder 5 $200
Luftrum All Bundle + Lunaris. High bidder: c. bidder 6 $180
English version of the Charity diploma. High bidder: bidder 3 $50 [no need for a letter because it is one item]

Now, when bidder 7 writes :
1. Luftrum
Luftrum All Bundle + Lunaris : $210

Luftrum would look and immediately knows where to put it, so it becomes like this of course:
Luftrum All Bundle + Lunaris. High bidder: a. bidder 1 $180
Luftrum All Bundle + Lunaris. High bidder: b. bidder 2 $180
Luftrum All Bundle + Lunaris. High bidder: b. bidder 4 $200
Luftrum All Bundle + Lunaris. High bidder: a. bidder 5 $200
Luftrum All Bundle + Lunaris. High bidder: a. bidder 7 $210 (putting letter a just in case another bidder would bid with another $210, in this case he/she gets b letter)

It might be complex, but I think it is a very good system. I won't do that in the 2nd hand auction Well, only if gets so big that I need to sort it like this, but for now, no need

Finally, congratulations to Luftrum and to all who helped getting all those companies and developers involved, and a special "Thank you" for all the companies and developers who made this help a reality for the needy children

[ATN69]

God save us all please give it a rest

Spoken like an old dog unwilling to learn a new trick. Is anyone twisting your arm or chaining you to this thread? If you are not interested in this there are plenty of other things to do.

With all do respect, this particular thread is of interest for us who didn't yet receive the stuff that we won in the charity auction, so not visiting it just because I (we) are not interested in your highly interesting discussion is not an option. You coulf start a new thread on how to index developers for the next year auction perhaps?

[Koshdukai]

God save us all please give it a rest

Spoken like an old dog unwilling to learn a new trick. Is anyone twisting your arm or chaining you to this thread? If you are not interested in this there are plenty of other things to do.

With all do respect, this particular thread is of interest for us who didn't yet receive the stuff that we won in the charity auction, so not visiting it just because I (we) are not interested in your highly interesting discussion is not an option. You coulf start a new thread on how to index developers for the next year auction perhaps?

+1 Agreed.


And... Obviously numbered items would make everything faster. The bidding quicker and the refreshing of the 1st page automatable (I know what I'm talking about, because I ended up doing something for myself to keep track of the bids in-real-time).

[yellowmix]

A number in and of itself is "dumb" it has no meaning aside from indicating a place in a sequence.

My mistake, then. I was under the impression your concern was completely about indicating a place in a sequence.

[yellowmix]

The bidding quicker and the refreshing of the 1st page automatable (I know what I'm talking about, because I ended up doing something for myself to keep track of the bids in-real-time).

With a little more work that could auto-generate the first post for Luftrum. Or simply let the bot make the first or second post, whatever contains the items and bids, so it wouldn't have to use Luftrum's credentials.

[Koshdukai]

The bidding quicker and the refreshing of the 1st page automatable (I know what I'm talking about, because I ended up doing something for myself to keep track of the bids in-real-time).

With a little more work that could auto-generate the first post for Luftrum. Or simply let the bot make the first or second post, whatever contains the items and bids, so it wouldn't have to use Luftrum's credentials.

Exactly.

Bidders instructed to bid in a simpler format (#nnn $vvv) in their post, like:

here's my bid... a text line that will be ignored by the parser because it isn't starting with #
#5 $50
#101 $15
another text line that would be ignored but those 2 above would be considered as bids
#45 $110
the line above would be a 3rd bid, considered by the parser because it starts with #
further comments/text would be possible, as long as it didn't start with #
The parser would ignore anything in the post not starting with # and not including a value after $
Obviously, invalid # references would be discarded

With all or any additional optional comments afterward if they wanted, would make life hugely easier to everyone, especially Luftrum, obviously.


Edited to make it clearer, with an example in quote.

[PALU]

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