Thorn: Dmitry Sches' new synth!

[toonertik]

edit: thought I found same env bug in Harmonic Filter, now can't reproduce. weird.

Still think we need a few options on things as mentioned previously, but really just getting beautiful sounds out of this thing. Enjoying sound sculpting too much to make a melody or recreate other instruments for osc 105.

Yup>>> I get that...
I keep trying to do some serious presetting and just end up exploring all the modulation possibilities and end up with wonderful pulsing crazy sounds, which is what got me into synths in the first place...
Though like you have found.. things don't always work the way we expect...
Maybe I call it the Thorn in my side for a reason.
Maybe it's just called Character...

[Teksonik]

It only shows you who has what work ethics, who will sell you a properly coded synth and who keeps relying on technology progress to swallow his spaghetti coding.

Dmitry is either directly responsible or is part of a team for a lot of plugins that he doesn't get credit for developing. Put bluntly his "work ethic" is quite impressive. In fact I'm impressed at how productive he is....

Of course that both Urs and Dmitry will market Hive and Thorn as light on CPU synths, but in reality both of those synths are CPU hogs when compared to properly optimized synths, not to mention their standard CPU hogs.
The whole point is that even though CPU can handle 20 instances of those synths, it doesn't change the fact that they are poorly optimized. If their oscillators were properly optimized they would use at least 5 times less of CPU power.

Can you post a link to the VST plugins you've programmed ? You are obviously an expert in code optimization so I'd be very interested in checking out your work.

Let me put it to you this way...do you release a song if you don't think it's your best work ? Do you have pride in your work ? So do developers. I can guarantee that Urs and Dmitry put their heart and souls into every project. If it was possible to optimize the code they would do it...it has nothing to with work ethic or skill. Both gentlemen have plenty of both.

Anyway I'm using and loving Thorn and Hive every day here. No problems with CPU demand. Would I like every synth to use less CPU ? Of course if it doesn't effect the sound and therein lies the issue. It does no good to optimize code if it kills the character and quality of a synth.

But like I said post your plugins and maybe you can teach Urs and Dmitry how it's done......(sarcasm).

[Taron]

I don't think Dmitry needs any more heroes, mate. Astro got the message a bunch of times already. If you're such a fan of Thorn, quit ruining the thread!

[AstroCastro]

Can you post a link to the VST plugins you've programmed ? You are obviously an expert in code optimization so I'd be very interested in checking out your work.
If it was possible to optimize the code they would do it...it has nothing to with work ethic or skill. Both gentlemen have plenty of both.

But like I said post your plugins and maybe you can teach Urs and Dmitry how it's done......(sarcasm).

Why don't you post us a link to VST's you programmed so that we can believe you that it's impossible to optimize U-he or Dmitry's synths better. Your synths will prove how Urs has all the knowledge in Universe for optimizing the code.
For you these kind of arguments make perfect sense, for the rest of the sane world they are not making any sense. Just trust me on this.

When you are walking down the street and see some fat woman, do you really believe that you, Teksonik, need to be a woman and fat to be capable of knowing what fat woman is?
This is how things look like in your screwed up world and the way you think.
Your reasoning is non-existent, what you're saying is not making any sense.

Now, when we have determined that you can't even think correctly and properly and you obviously can't rely on your own thinking process and logic which leads to making incoherent arguments that make no sense whatsoever, next time when you want to comment - don't do it.
Your lack of existence will make you smarter. The less people see you, the more you'll look smarter.
I know, it's bad, but in your case that's how things work unfortunately.

[braj]

Just trust me on this.

Nope.

[ZaBong69]

There are other goals than low CPU that are just as worthy to explore.

Yes, and that is not only the sound. It is the sonic capabilities and the user interface that define a great synth together IMHO.

Sometimes, there is a great sounding synth that is ruined to me for bc. of its antiquated UI design, like e.g. no drawable modulations from envelopes or a bank-based preset system (like in an 80s digital hardware synth, I am looking at you, Spire!). I'd certainly spend more time with Dune 2 if that small modulation matrix would not evoke the feel of a spreadsheet session, regardless of the fact that you can do audio rate modulation within.

On the other hand, there are some really cool user interfaces and synth concepts around where the synth engine itself fights nails and toes to sound like I want it to be.

Thorn sits for me quite comfortably in the spot Hive is supposed to be - a mostly single page, efficient to use go-to synth. It is fun to explore how many different sounds can be achieved with just a selected set of features. It sounds warm and pleasant to me - thanks to the filter drive, and it is not restricted to just a few analog basic waveforms, plus it has real OSC FM and MSEGs, which are sadly missing from Hive. I can run 10-15 instances on my system without glitches - complex patches with FX, which is less than Zebra or Hive, but certainly more than Diva or Serum. So right now, as trade-offs go, Thorn is a good approach for me, but I understand the frustration one can have when one's PC struggles to keep up with ever more demanding synth plugins.

[Taron]

There's a really BIG plus for Thorn, when it comes to GUI, really. We've just had the OneSynthChallenge with Zebralette, which is a powerful freebie and has a well crafted GUI, but somehow Thorn is instantly far more musically motivating to use. Despite the endless flexibility and tremendous power of Zebra, it also somehow makes it not as musically pleasant to design sounds. Technically or under the hood, it may be most brilliant, but a transparent GUI with a certain sense of access like Thorn really adds so much to the process of sound design.
I do wish that the envelopes would act more as expected, when it comes to Attack and the use with things like Oscillator position or FX, for example (via the modulation section).
I do wish that KeyFollow would be a little more adjustable to achieve more definition for desired ranges.
There's also the wish for a stereo cross bounce option for the delay.
I also wished that little, but noteworthy conveniences like remembering last used file folders would be there.
There's also the mouse over highlights for buttons that would lead to quicker understanding of the GUI powers.
*almost forgot the slightly off-putting slowness of the fading, when you change a parameter. I understand the idea behind it, but it can feel awkward, when you adjust knobs.
And last, but not least, that idle would truly idle.

I apologize for my mistake, regarding the reverb, though, because in SPACE mode, you can get a completely tight reverb. I didn't realize that earlier. And there are likely more things I yet have to discover.

But all in all...I did immediately, spontaneously fall in love with Thorn and the sounds one can get out of it already are outstanding.

[ATN69]

I am not the worst synth hoarder in KVR but I have a few. Still Thorn bring something new that I didn’t already have and it’s a joy to work with. No need for user manuals either. The drag and drop modulation makes modulation easy. GUI is not the most sexy I have seen but Thorn make up for it in terms of sound quality and usability. It makes the introduction price a real bargain. Well done Dmitry!

[Taron]

Did a little OSC-Style test song and just made this pretty little flute. This is pure Thorn, of course, but it's purer than usual, since I only used some limiter and side-chain compression, but no other external effects:
https://soundcloud.com/taronium/thorn-flute

It's just a doodle, really, and nothing I would want to submit to the OSC, but it makes an interesting example for how soft and subtle Thorn can be and how expressive (never mind my playing, please!).

[wagtunes]

Did a little OSC-Style test song and just made this pretty little flute. This is pure Thorn, of course, but it's purer than usual, since I only used some limiter and side-chain compression, but no other external effects:
https://soundcloud.com/taronium/thorn-flute

It's just a doodle, really, and nothing I would want to submit to the OSC, but it makes an interesting example for how soft and subtle Thorn can be and how expressive (never mind my playing, please!).

Very nice, but where's the flute?

Kidding.

[Taron]

Oh good, you scared me there for a moment!

[Teksonik]

Can you post a link to the VST plugins you've programmed ? You are obviously an expert in code optimization so I'd be very interested in checking out your work.

Why don't you post us a link to VST's you programmed so that we can believe you that it's impossible to optimize U-he or Dmitry's synths better.

Oh so as I expected you don't have a clue how to write code yet you feel entitled to insult developer's "work ethic". You claim Thorn and Hive can be optimized yet you have no idea how. You are all talk,no action. All mouth, no brains.

Now, when we have determined that you can't even think correctly and properly and you obviously can't rely on your own thinking process and logic which leads to making incoherent arguments that make no sense whatsoever, next time when you want to comment - don't do it.

It's obviously you who can't think correctly or even formulate a cogent argument. You should probably stop posting as doing so just reveals how ignorant you really are.....

Go play in the street sonny.....adults are talking here.......

[Teksonik]

Anyway....Is anybody having issues with the Optimize Polyphony setting not being remembered ? Seems to be a bit hit and miss.

[cb8rwh]

Did a little OSC-Style test song and just made this pretty little flute. This is pure Thorn, of course, but it's purer than usual, since I only used some limiter and side-chain compression, but no other external effects

It's just a doodle, really, and nothing I would want to submit to the OSC, but it makes an interesting example for how soft and subtle Thorn can be and how expressive (never mind my playing, please!).

Really impressive man

[Taron]

Thanks! Yeah, I am really thrilled about Thorn. I know, I'm just scratching the surface, but I couldn't contain myself... ...thanks, again!