well a smile or two always cheers me up ... feeling like people enjoy what you are doing is a motivation
than again - what's your talent or non talent worth if you always need confirmation. you can delve into the world of music production and mixing and audio techniques in general but you will always be doomed to be a non skilful individual to many others if you cant sit down with your guitar or other instrument and do something remarkable - besides - you will also feel the world around you is merely being friendly if they make compliments about your playing - even the most extremely talented folks deep in there hearts were uncertain about there skills. Than there's the disease of culture - of course a lover of progrock will like your skilful progrock creation, but will the man in the street like it ? So you sit down and make beautiful artwork and a cd containing 12 pearls from your heart, and you place it on the web, but there's always someone there to tell you what should be done better and there is always someone who exaggerates about the uniqueness of it all and your stuck in the middle doing some slum clearance, hailing the despotically dominating hyper talents leaving no room for argument because you simple can't argue with beauty or ingenuity.
what are we doing it all for ?
Me ? i haven't got a f**king clue - each time i stop, i find myself hyperventilating in the kitchen feeling a unhealthy inner urge to go drum on the table, or switch on my pc and make something weird. Is it a curse ? Or a vocation ? and if it is a vocation
how the f**k come i lack perseverance to finish things off? What's init for you besides losing shitloads of energy ? my translucent heart wants to move people but is it comprehensive enough to move people ? When people are boastful they get a place in the spotlight and when they are modest they stay in the back but the ones outside the spotlight have more time and rest to really make something outstanding i think. And than we die - did life bitch us or did we pimp life ? sounds like a kewl line for one of my songs - the best songs come from drivellings like this
what are we doing it all for ?
what's the purpose
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- Narcissistic Messiah
- 4565 posts since 8 Apr, 2002 from https://soundcloud.com/remcoh
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- KVRian
- 901 posts since 1 Dec, 2003
In the end, I think we do it for ourselves.
I've felt everything you just said at one point in life or another. After playing live for 20 or so years, I finally realized that my music is for me. I'd love for the masses to hear it, but the important thing is that I enjoy it myself. Creating my own music is the only thing that keeps me from going postal from my daily life. Perhaps someday I may make the effort to let other people hear what I've been doing with all this stuff.
The important thing is, if making music gives you pleasure, that's all that matters. That's what it's all about.
I'm trying real hard not to quote Ricky Nelson's "Garden Party" here!
I do miss the reactions of others to what I've worked hard to accomplish, but that's taken a second seat to enjoying the fact that, for some reason I've been blessed with the ability to make music as I feel it. I figure if I can keep myself occupied and amused, that's quite an accomplishment!
I've felt everything you just said at one point in life or another. After playing live for 20 or so years, I finally realized that my music is for me. I'd love for the masses to hear it, but the important thing is that I enjoy it myself. Creating my own music is the only thing that keeps me from going postal from my daily life. Perhaps someday I may make the effort to let other people hear what I've been doing with all this stuff.
The important thing is, if making music gives you pleasure, that's all that matters. That's what it's all about.
I'm trying real hard not to quote Ricky Nelson's "Garden Party" here!
I do miss the reactions of others to what I've worked hard to accomplish, but that's taken a second seat to enjoying the fact that, for some reason I've been blessed with the ability to make music as I feel it. I figure if I can keep myself occupied and amused, that's quite an accomplishment!
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- KVRist
- 278 posts since 14 Mar, 2004 from I'm standing right behind you
Everyone will have their own reason to start (ie: women, fame, fulfillment, $$$). But I suspect those that keep at it will always come back to the same reason: fulfillment. Well, assuming they didn't get the women, fame, or $$$ all along 
For me it's all about the little hairs on the back of my neck. I mash keys until I come upon a combination that makes them stand up, and that's enough for me. It would be great to have someone else's neck-hairs stand up when they hear something I recorded, but that would be a bonus.
For me it's all about the little hairs on the back of my neck. I mash keys until I come upon a combination that makes them stand up, and that's enough for me. It would be great to have someone else's neck-hairs stand up when they hear something I recorded, but that would be a bonus.
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- KVRist
- 278 posts since 14 Mar, 2004 from I'm standing right behind you
Seriously? Girls like it? 
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- KVRAF
- 7316 posts since 7 Mar, 2003
Well... For me its fulfillment, but isn't that more of a heading for reasons, a title for a list of bulletpoints???
I'm pretty sure Britney Spears is fulfilled, but I'm pretty sure Maynard James Keenan is too. I'm pretty certain that all the members of Mudvayne are fulfilled, and so are all the members of Busted.
But they appear to be doing it for very different reasons, and they appear to be fulfilled in many different ways.
I can only speak in certain terms for myself. To try to do it for anyone else could lead me to misinterpret their work and to belittle their work unintentionally.
I do it because it makes me feel like I have a reason for living. Without music I feel like a walking corpse, and I get really bad withdrawal. I resign myself into a cocoon until the opportunity arises to make music again. I don't know if I'm ever going to make money with music, I don't know if I am going to die a poor artist who never "made it".
The things that bother me is that people put so much emphasis on making money with music. Sure it would be nice, and I'm not saying I don't want to make money - I do very much - but people make it the main reason to pick up a guitar, or to twiddle with some knobs.
I frown more upon the whole "Hey lets make a band! That would be cool!!" mentality than I do the "Hey, lets tell these f**kers about the world!"
I can appreciate how Tool, for instance, translate their view of the world into their music, but they do it in a very original way. There is no other band like Tool, but there is many bands like Metallica and Iron Maiden.
There are many artists like Aphex Twin - there are stacks of them on this site alone!! But there aren't many people who could be grouped up with The Black Dog, or Black Safichi who worked with Ken Downie on Unsavoury Products. There aren't many artists who could emulate Boards of Canada as well as BoC do it themselves.
Which brings me to my next point - Why bother to try and emulate?? I'm not saying don't do the same things other artists do and have done, because it might just come naturally that you use percussion in the same way Richard D. James does. It might just come naturally that you play bass like Ryan from Mudvayne (in my opinion one of the most phenomenal bass players ever!!)
But to actually go out of your way to emulate a certain sound or a certain genre... that reeks of dishonest business philosophy to me.
All I can say for certain is that when I'm not tinkering around with Reason, or tinkering around with a Rhodes patch, or learning to play my guitar better than I can, I literally feel like slashing my own throat.
I'm pretty sure Britney Spears is fulfilled, but I'm pretty sure Maynard James Keenan is too. I'm pretty certain that all the members of Mudvayne are fulfilled, and so are all the members of Busted.
But they appear to be doing it for very different reasons, and they appear to be fulfilled in many different ways.
I can only speak in certain terms for myself. To try to do it for anyone else could lead me to misinterpret their work and to belittle their work unintentionally.
I do it because it makes me feel like I have a reason for living. Without music I feel like a walking corpse, and I get really bad withdrawal. I resign myself into a cocoon until the opportunity arises to make music again. I don't know if I'm ever going to make money with music, I don't know if I am going to die a poor artist who never "made it".
The things that bother me is that people put so much emphasis on making money with music. Sure it would be nice, and I'm not saying I don't want to make money - I do very much - but people make it the main reason to pick up a guitar, or to twiddle with some knobs.
I frown more upon the whole "Hey lets make a band! That would be cool!!" mentality than I do the "Hey, lets tell these f**kers about the world!"
I can appreciate how Tool, for instance, translate their view of the world into their music, but they do it in a very original way. There is no other band like Tool, but there is many bands like Metallica and Iron Maiden.
There are many artists like Aphex Twin - there are stacks of them on this site alone!! But there aren't many people who could be grouped up with The Black Dog, or Black Safichi who worked with Ken Downie on Unsavoury Products. There aren't many artists who could emulate Boards of Canada as well as BoC do it themselves.
Which brings me to my next point - Why bother to try and emulate?? I'm not saying don't do the same things other artists do and have done, because it might just come naturally that you use percussion in the same way Richard D. James does. It might just come naturally that you play bass like Ryan from Mudvayne (in my opinion one of the most phenomenal bass players ever!!)
But to actually go out of your way to emulate a certain sound or a certain genre... that reeks of dishonest business philosophy to me.
All I can say for certain is that when I'm not tinkering around with Reason, or tinkering around with a Rhodes patch, or learning to play my guitar better than I can, I literally feel like slashing my own throat.
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- addled muppet weed
- 111294 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass
world domination 
on a more serious note,it helps express and calm the voices in my head.art in general is helpful to my condition as it gives me solitude even in a crowd,which sometimes i need.im not even talking about my own stuff,i enjoy going to local art galleries and just getting lost in a painting for an hour or so,unfortunately my skills with paint are even less than my sound skills,as some of you may soon see.
but i guess we all do it because we can?
on a more serious note,it helps express and calm the voices in my head.art in general is helpful to my condition as it gives me solitude even in a crowd,which sometimes i need.im not even talking about my own stuff,i enjoy going to local art galleries and just getting lost in a painting for an hour or so,unfortunately my skills with paint are even less than my sound skills,as some of you may soon see.
but i guess we all do it because we can?
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- KVRAF
- 7316 posts since 7 Mar, 2003
I've never experienced this, and when I was going out with a girl, she really was not interested in my music.EJo wrote: The girls! C'mon guys you can't deny it, the girls love everything from feeble attempts at turning on a Casio keyboard to a full blown Broadway production. Surely everyone must have seen this: a way too pretty girl glues up with a geek just because he made a tune on a tape, or because he's in a band. If that's not worth the effort, what is?
The only time I've ever had female attention because of music was when I played the piano over the webcam for an msn friend!!
But I always thought that generally girls that oogle rockstars have nothing going for them. I've known girls drooling over Marilyn Manson or whoever.. and they're just pinheads.
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- KVRian
- 901 posts since 1 Dec, 2003
EJo wrote:The girls!
Well, I'm not going to argue there, but believe it or not, even that gets old after several years. Gig after gig, brainless groupie bimbos with big casabas buying you drinks and wanting to come up to your room and smother you with various degrees of naughty bits, when all you want is a good nights sleep, and. . .
erm, never mind!
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- KVRian
- 901 posts since 1 Dec, 2003
Ahhh, If only you could have been a member in a big hair 80's band!Amberience wrote:I've never experienced this, and when I was going out with a girl, she really was not interested in my music.
The only time I've ever had female attention because of music was when I played the piano over the webcam for an msn friend!!
But I always thought that generally girls that oogle rockstars have nothing going for them. I've known girls drooling over Marilyn Manson or whoever.. and they're just pinheads.
Mother Mary and Joseph! 
And your pinhead description is 98 percent correct!
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- Beware the Quoth
- 35449 posts since 4 Sep, 2001 from R'lyeh Oceanic Amusement Park and Funfair
EJo Surely everyone must have seen this: a way too pretty girl glues up with a geek just because he made a tune on a tape, or because he's in a band.
Nope, never.
Nope, never.
An idiot on Set Theory:
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."
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- addled muppet weed
- 111294 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass
i thought its was something about boys who like girls who like girls like theyre boys or something?
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- KVRian
- 901 posts since 1 Dec, 2003
whyterabbyt wrote:EJo Surely everyone must have seen this: a way too pretty girl glues up with a geek just because he made a tune on a tape, or because he's in a band.
Nope, never.
What about Billy Joel?
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- KVRAF
- 7316 posts since 7 Mar, 2003
Damn... I needn't of wrote so much - I thought we were going to have a serious thread. 
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