Gibson axes Cakewalk /Sonar

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Spencer Maddox
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220 posts since 19 Oct, 2017

Post Tue Nov 21, 2017 8:47 am

xamido wrote:I saw the sign when they went with the annual license. Bitwig next.
Not Comparable. Bitwig is a standalone entity, Cakewalk was not, they were owned and controlled by Gibson.

As for the news...wow. That's all I can say. Stunning decision. I worry about these things happening with these DAWS run by Big Corporations and parent companies (Like Logic and Cubase) because of things like this...
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Spencer Maddox
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220 posts since 19 Oct, 2017

Re: Gibson axes Cakewalk /Sonar

Post Tue Nov 21, 2017 8:50 am

woodsdenis wrote:They did this to Opcode Studio Vision too
Your right that was Gibson...Forgot about that. Wayyyy before my time but I watched videos of it, looks like it was a pretty fun Daw with a bright future. Shame...
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Romantique Tp
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266 posts since 2 Nov, 2015

Re: Gibson axes Cakewalk /Sonar

Post Tue Nov 21, 2017 8:50 am

So hmm, I heard that Cubase just got one of its best updates ever. Nothing to do with this news of course, just something that came to mind.

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Aloysius
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22077 posts since 11 Aug, 2008 from a computer

Re: Gibson axes Cakewalk /Sonar

Post Tue Nov 21, 2017 8:54 am

... ceasing active development and production of Cakewalk branded products.
I thought they had ceased active development of all my purchases years ago.
I didn't get where I am today ...

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zvenx
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6585 posts since 16 Feb, 2005 from Kingston, Jamaica

Re: Gibson axes Cakewalk /Sonar

Post Tue Nov 21, 2017 8:55 am

woodsdenis wrote:They did this to Opcode Studio Vision too
Exactly and only an idiot would align themselves with gibson unless they had zero other choices and I mean Zero.
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xamido
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1288 posts since 1 May, 2010

Re: Gibson axes Cakewalk /Sonar.

Post Tue Nov 21, 2017 8:57 am

Spencer Maddox wrote: Not Comparable. Bitwig is a standalone entity, Cakewalk was not, they were owned and controlled by Gibson.
It's comparable for me. Switching to subscription model basically confirm that the traditional model didn't make enough money for them.

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zvenx
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6585 posts since 16 Feb, 2005 from Kingston, Jamaica

Re: Gibson axes Cakewalk /Sonar

Post Tue Nov 21, 2017 8:58 am

Spencer Maddox wrote:
woodsdenis wrote:They did this to Opcode Studio Vision too
Your right that was Gibson...Forgot about that. Wayyyy before my time but I watched videos of it, looks like it was a pretty fun Daw with a bright future. Shame...
I will never. I was a Vision/Studio Vision Pro user.... tried to keep using it for 3 years even after and eventually went to Cubendo.
To this day I wouldn't even buy a branded Gibson guitar pick much less a Gibson guitar.

“Those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it.”

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SLiC
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2795 posts since 2 Dec, 2004 from North Wales

Re: Gibson axes Cakewalk /Sonar.

Post Tue Nov 21, 2017 9:01 am

xamido wrote:
Spencer Maddox wrote: Not Comparable. Bitwig is a standalone entity, Cakewalk was not, they were owned and controlled by Gibson.
It's comparable for me. Switching to subscription model basically confirm that the traditional model didn't make enough money for them.
By definition a subscription business model is a business model where a customer must pay a subscription price to have access to a product or service.

Bitwig is not subscription, you buy it and you can use it forever, no additional payments required ever unless you want to pay to update.
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fluffy_little_something
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12030 posts since 5 Jun, 2012 from Portugal

Re: Gibson axes Cakewalk /Sonar

Post Tue Nov 21, 2017 9:11 am

Maybe software is just not worth it. Gibson also bought Onkyo, Teac and Philips, all of which hardware companies.
Maybe Roland can buy it back...

Spencer Maddox
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220 posts since 19 Oct, 2017

Re: Gibson axes Cakewalk /Sonar

Post Tue Nov 21, 2017 9:13 am

zvenx wrote:
Spencer Maddox wrote:
woodsdenis wrote:They did this to Opcode Studio Vision too
Your right that was Gibson...Forgot about that. Wayyyy before my time but I watched videos of it, looks like it was a pretty fun Daw with a bright future. Shame...
I will never. I was a Vision/Studio Vision Pro user.... tried to keep using it for 3 years even after and eventually went to Cubendo.
To this day I wouldn't even buy a branded Gibson guitar pick much less a Gibson guitar.

“Those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it.”

rsp
Agreed. Can't blame you either. I haven't been affected by either of these moves personally but I Know if someone bought the companies that make the daws i primarily use (Ableton, Reaper and Bitwig), and then just dropped them causing me to have to change everything.. well, I would hold a LOT of Animosity in the direction of that parent Corporation.
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CTStump
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553 posts since 9 Jan, 2012 from Dona Ana, New Mexiico in the US of A

Re: Gibson axes Cakewalk /Sonar

Post Tue Nov 21, 2017 9:18 am

Rather than blaming the subscriptiom model this seems to confirm that in the corporate group think that the future is not desktop software as a viable investment platform in my opinion. The decline in sales warrants a decision in that direction.

Pretty soon other (Corporate)developers will likely come to the same conclusion. If they do, don't worry until the OS updates, your DAW will still work in it's current form(plus what ever niggles and unfixed bugs). Best to carry on and if need be learn another DAW.

I thought Traktion was dead but look what they did... Maybe Sonar might follow that and go back to the original. Development team and dash the corporate group think. :?

dogzilla
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135 posts since 22 Apr, 2004

Re: Gibson axes Cakewalk /Sonar

Post Tue Nov 21, 2017 9:36 am

I guess this was rather telling...

http://blog.cakewalk.com/open-letter-ki ... -momentum/
We even have a Momentum plug-in that sits inside Pro Tools, Logic, Live (or any Mac/PC DAW),
No mention of Cakewalk's own DAW?

Woodgardens
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168 posts since 18 Oct, 2017

Re: Gibson axes Cakewalk /Sonar

Post Tue Nov 21, 2017 9:57 am

Reminds me of a famous Beatle song:

" Project 5... Project 5... Project 5.... etc"

sfxsound3
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453 posts since 30 Mar, 2016

Re: Gibson axes Cakewalk /Sonar

Post Tue Nov 21, 2017 10:04 am

Come on, everybody knows that lifetime means product lifetime, not user lifetime.

Cakewalk sucked.

Other DAWs will fall - as they should, because there are too many.

bobhva
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117 posts since 8 Mar, 2016 from USA

Re: Gibson axes Cakewalk /Sonar

Post Tue Nov 21, 2017 10:08 am

This is disappointing news to say the least. I own Sonar Platinum with "lifetime" updates. I have spent two years with this software and it does everything that I need it to so I will just keep using it until that situation changes. I also have Live 9.7.5 with no intention of upgrading to 10. This is just a hobby for me so I guess I will just stick with what I have until I can't use it anymore.

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