which hosts support step record/step edit/step entry/etc ..?

[moonlite]

so none of you really use step recording in your sequencers? :P

if you understand the concept, don't you realize how efficient this is?? :o (except for those that don't want rock solid timing)

[Sepheritoh]

so none of you really use step recording in your sequencers?

if you understand the concept, don't you realize how efficient this is?? (except for those that don't want rock solid timing)

And sound like a robot.

[moonlite]

so none of you really use step recording in your sequencers? :P

if you understand the concept, don't you realize how efficient this is?? :o (except for those that don't want rock solid timing)

And sound like a robot.

this afaik depends totally on the type of music you are doing ..

if tracker mods sound robotic in the way you are talking about, then, yes, I want my music to sound robotic.

q - psychedelic robotics

[moonlite]

so none of you really use step recording in your sequencers? :P

if you understand the concept, don't you realize how efficient this is?? :o (except for those that don't want rock solid timing)

And sound like a robot.

this afaik depends totally on the type of music you are doing ..

if tracker mods sound robotic in the way you are talking about, then, yes, I want my music to sound robotic.

q - psychedelic robotics

actually, let me clarify myself:

by the comparison of trackers I only meant the timing of notes, and not the overall sound, since I'm using a LOT of modulation.

I kind of think that dark techno and trance type of shit sounds actually better when everything ELSE is randomly modulated BUT the startpoints of the notes.

do you think that even more organic sounding stuff like infected mushroom or the tops of the melodic trance scene like pvd use anything but solid right-on-the-note timing by default?

.. and think about the vintage sequencers, too ..

I'm not saying that I think I know I'm right. I just think it's likely ..

.. and of course this doesn't apply to rock or even jungle .. and many other styles ..

[Sicklecell666]

Orion was originally a step sequncer app; it still retains it's step sequencer use via a toggle button in each VST wrapper's piano roll window. Conversely, you can simply hold control & drag/paint your notes in the Instrument's Piano-roll as well.

Failing that & the aforementioned EnergyXT, you can use SonicByte's ERA & have that stepper functionality in whatever host you want, not to mention functions that are so wide ranging you'll be hard pressed to use/learn em all.

ERA was modeled afer old scholl stepper, & is about as thorough a stepper as I have come across.

[Sicklecell666]

Also, once you do that stepping approach, you have humanizing as well as groove quantizing options in Orion, thus eliminating the machine drum sound, although I dig repetitive machine drumming as a rule bieng an old Godflesh/Pitchshifter fan

That style of drumming gets some shit around here with all the art fags






























k/j guys

[moonlite]

[quote="sickle666"]Orion was originally a step sequncer app; it still retains it's step sequencer use via a toggle button in each VST wrapper's piano roll window. Conversely, you can simply hold control & drag/paint your notes in the Instrument's Piano-roll as well.

Failing that & the aforementioned EnergyXT, you can use SonicByte's ERA & have that stepper functionality in whatever host you want, not to mention functions that are so wide ranging you'll be hard pressed to use/learn em all.

ERA was modeled afer old scholl stepper, & is about as thorough a stepper as I have come across.[/quote]

mjeah, thanks, but .. actually the "step sequencer" thingie is /not/ what I'm looking for.. (i'm not quite sure about the official terminology here, if there actually is any)

step sequencers often are edited with mouse, too, right?

the right term (for the thing i'm looking for) could be "step recording" .. which seems to be implemented in energyxt. I just downloaded it but haven't had time to try it out yet.

as a reminder: i'd like to edit my melodies with my computer keyborad and my midi keyboard. not with my mouse ..

so, how do these applications do this?

[Sicklecell666]

If you can give me a complete definaition of 'Step Recording' & edititing, I can probably help you, but if it's about antagonism, what's the point?

Several recording apps have punch in, overdub, punch out, etc..but I', not thinking they apply to step recording. Considering my inytrest in step programming, I would enjoy a brief descrioption of this approach from you.

And , yes, I do for the most part edit with a mouse, but becuase I have not attempted editing with an ext keys, I'm not sure if it's possible or not.

Also, bineg an eXT user, this aspect of step recording seems new to me, so here's your chance to teach someone who actually wants to know your method.

[moonlite]

If you can give me a complete definaition of 'Step Recording' & edititing, I can probably help you, but if it's about antagonism, what's the point?

Several recording apps have punch in, overdub, punch out, etc..but I', not thinking they apply to step recording. Considering my inytrest in step programming, I would enjoy a brief descrioption of this approach from you.

And , yes, I do for the most part edit with a mouse, but becuase I have not attempted editing with an ext keys, I'm not sure if it's possible or not.

Also, bineg an eXT user, this aspect of step recording seems new to me, so here's your chance to teach someone who actually wants to know your method.

well, have you read the original post? if you have, and have even read all the messages here, I'm not sure how I would describe what I mean still another, different way.

have you ever worked with trackers, like pro tracker, screamtracker, soundtracker, fasttracker, renoise, etc, etc, etc? If you have, this is what I mean

it is like writing text, as I described earlier. with the cursor jumping forward every time you enter something, instead of following the tempo

I find this method the easiest when writing my own melodies and 1/16 basslines .. and especially the drums ..

for instance, when making a fictional drum section, I could select a 1/16 notelength. then I would start recording by just setting the cursor to the start position (as it works in logic) or select edit (as in trackers) or something.

then I would press the midi key representing the bassdrum and the prog would write the note, exactly 1/16 of length and jump to the next sixteenth. there I could press the key for a closed hihat, or just press a key representing a space and it would jump forward again (exactly as writing test). then maby an open hihat as the third sixteenth .. then i could press the wrong key on the midi keyb by accident. no problem, just press (for instance) bnackspace to erase the note and press the right key on the midi keyb to get it rightn .. etc etc ..

it would work exactly as writing this:

b h b h b

b representign the midi key for the bassdrum and
h representing a hihat .. and the spaces of course representign an empty 1/16 note = a space =)

I'm not really sure how I should try to clarify this even further .. it would be best if you could base a question on what i've posted to this thread ..

does anyone else get what I mean? ..

[Jeremy_NSL]

yes, I understand. Step-recording is in FL Studio and ext I think. Not my host though, Tracktion.

Personally I wouldn't use it all the time, but it has its uses and I'd like to see more sequencers integrate it.

[Jeremy_NSL]

oh yeah, theres also this tracker vsti thats in beta, can't remember the name right now. Emulates Impulse Tracker.

[moonlite]

yes, I understand. Step-recording is in FL Studio and ext I think. Not my host though, Tracktion. :(

Personally I wouldn't use it all the time, but it has its uses and I'd like to see more sequencers integrate it.

yeah. it would be absolutely superb if tracktion 2 would take this under its hood. maybe we should mail the author about this? ;)

I use it almost all the time in logic ..

so you use tracktion+ext?

do you use ext in every track in tracktion or just the ones you want step recording in?

[Jeremy_NSL]

yeah. it would be absolutely superb if tracktion 2 would take this under its hood. maybe we should mail the author about this?

I use it almost all the time in logic ..

so you use tracktion+ext?

do you use ext in every track in tracktion or just the ones you want step recording in?

No I don't own eXT. Many people like using it in conjunction with Tracktion, but for myself I want songwriting to be LESS complicated, not more complicated. So only one host at a time

That said, eXT is getting close to the point where it might be good enough all on its own...

[moonlite]

oh yeah, theres also this tracker vsti thats in beta, can't remember the name right now. Emulates Impulse Tracker.

there's this vstrack or something .. but that one plays only samples, and not vst synths =/ ..

renoise is a really good tracker capable of allmost everything I need, but I've been with sequencers for too long, trackers just seem too much work these days .. editing notelengths, editing song structure etc etc .. just too much work =(

[Jeremy_NSL]

i think the non-beta of vstrack (is that what its called?) is supposed to control vsti synths as well.