DMGAudio TrackComp

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4tune
KVRian
859 posts since 7 Nov, 2003

Post Tue Nov 21, 2017 10:59 am

DaveGamble wrote:I wonder if maybe all you want is a shortcut method for:
- Route signal to bus, HPF the signal, route as sidechain into TrackComp

Rather than:
- Do EE research project to work out how one could insert a HPF into a 76RevD and still have it work, and not sound bad all day.

Because the first one is fairly painless. :D

Dave.

The shortcut to the sidechain sounds like a nice addition!

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Robert Randolph
KVRAF
2161 posts since 25 May, 2003 from Saint Petersburg, Florida

Re: DMGAudio TrackComp

Post Tue Nov 21, 2017 11:00 am

DaveGamble wrote:I wonder if maybe all you want is a shortcut method for:
- Route signal to bus, HPF the signal, route as sidechain into TrackComp

Rather than:
- Do EE research project to work out how one could insert a HPF into a 76RevD and still have it work, and not sound bad all day.

Because the first one is fairly painless. :D

Dave.
I would be fine with the first option personally.

I suspect there's only a handful of people in the world that even know what an 1176 with a switchable hpf sound like... and probably none of them sound alike anyway!
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Robert Randolph
KVRAF
2161 posts since 25 May, 2003 from Saint Petersburg, Florida

Re: DMGAudio TrackComp

Post Tue Nov 21, 2017 11:02 am

DaveGamble wrote:
Robert Randolph wrote:Except he's explicitly said that he was interested in expanding on the capabilities of the original hardware because limiting users to only those constraints is no fun :wink:
Alas, of course, you're beholden here to what I find fun ;)
You can always try and motivate me with examples of magnificent production! :D

Dave.
I seem to like your idea of fun. Keep at it :party:
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Romantique Tp
KVRist
266 posts since 2 Nov, 2015

Re: DMGAudio TrackComp

Post Wed Nov 22, 2017 8:05 am

I think it might be worth considering making standalone versions of each compressor with skeuomorphic interfaces in the future, or maybe use the knobs from Compassion to build an interface that vaguely resembles the original hardware. I wouldn't be surprised if some people were sleeping on this merely because the interface is nothing like the original compressors (I have no problem with the current interface btw, just an idea!)

onerob
KVRist
211 posts since 28 Oct, 2014

Re: DMGAudio TrackComp

Post Wed Nov 22, 2017 5:02 pm

DaveGamble wrote:I wonder if maybe all you want is a shortcut method for:
- Route signal to bus, HPF the signal, route as sidechain into TrackComp

Rather than:
- Do EE research project to work out how one could insert a HPF into a 76RevD and still have it work, and not sound bad all day.

Because the first one is fairly painless. :D

Dave.
The shortcut method would be great, especially if the second would not only be extremely tedious to try and make work, but would also possibly sound gross.

3ee
KVRAF
3625 posts since 8 Mar, 2006

Re: DMGAudio TrackComp

Post Thu Nov 23, 2017 3:26 pm

about the 2A model...

tried multiple sudden level increase tests and.... shouldn't the red line for the release be at 5ms instead of 50?
I know that on paper it reads 50-60ms

anyway, on the 2A model, it always felt too laggy if set to the suggested default release line of 50ms ... and comparing with Softube's NI VC2A it confirms that.... if I set the 2A to 5ms instead of 50ms release, it gives more similar results to the NI VC2A shape
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3ee
KVRAF
3625 posts since 8 Mar, 2006

Re: DMGAudio TrackComp

Post Thu Nov 23, 2017 3:36 pm

also 2A has an S shaped attack and the NI VC2A has log (exponential?) one ... so, I have no idea how it's on the hardware unit :help:

DaveGamble
KVRian
1000 posts since 12 Jul, 2009 from Brighton

Re: DMGAudio TrackComp

Post Fri Nov 24, 2017 7:46 am

4tune wrote:The shortcut to the sidechain sounds like a nice addition!
On the FR list it goes! :)

Dave.
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DaveGamble
KVRian
1000 posts since 12 Jul, 2009 from Brighton

Re: DMGAudio TrackComp

Post Fri Nov 24, 2017 7:47 am

onerob wrote:The shortcut method would be great, especially if the second would not only be extremely tedious to try and make work, but would also possibly sound gross.
That's a really good description of it. And also, the shortcut method will work more like how you'd expect a s/c HPF to work; inserting the HPF in the feedback will, as you so finely put it, sound gross ;)

Dave.
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DaveGamble
KVRian
1000 posts since 12 Jul, 2009 from Brighton

Re: DMGAudio TrackComp

Post Fri Nov 24, 2017 7:51 am

3ee wrote:tried multiple sudden level increase tests and.... shouldn't the red line for the release be at 5ms instead of 50?
I know that on paper it reads 50-60ms
Well, which batch of photopanels are we talking about here?
Are we talking about the bit where they tried to save money, or the really early ones, or some really late ones? Some reissues? Some made by someone who's a real specialist (Kenetek), or what?
The reason there's a slider at all is because there's just absolutely no consistency in the wild.
Call up Kenetek, and he'll offer you five different "speeds".
So, the default setting I put on the plugin is something that sounds nice to me, and is an opto in my office. But the other optos in the office are all over the shop. So I stuck the thing somewhere.
If it feels right to you to default the release to 5ms, then there's absolutely nothing wrong with doing that! It's not a subject where there is right and wrong - only matching a unit that you like, or not.
anyway, on the 2A model, it always felt too laggy if set to the suggested default release line of 50ms ... and comparing with Softube's NI VC2A it confirms that.... if I set the 2A to 5ms instead of 50ms release, it gives more similar results to the NI VC2A shape
Well, now we have learned that Softube chose to model a FAST T4B. That's all we learned, but we did learn it :) If you like that sound, you have it! :D:D

Dave.
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Krzysztof Oktalski
KVRist
254 posts since 1 Sep, 2006

Re: DMGAudio TrackComp

Post Fri Nov 24, 2017 7:52 am

Romantique Tp wrote:I think it might be worth considering making standalone versions of each compressor with skeuomorphic interfaces
We've considered it, probably won't happen in this lifetime; we'd have to of run out of ideas and money completely. We're very happy with how TrackComp is selling and don't feel the need to add more "me too" products into the universe, if you want something like this there are lots of options already. None of those options give you anything like the flexibility of our models.

omiroad
KVRist
161 posts since 16 Mar, 2015

Re: DMGAudio TrackComp

Post Fri Nov 24, 2017 8:08 am

I'm okay with the concept as it is, but I'll wait to buy it until it's no longer rough around the edges with bursts and loudness changes.

DaveGamble
KVRian
1000 posts since 12 Jul, 2009 from Brighton

Re: DMGAudio TrackComp

Post Fri Nov 24, 2017 10:24 am

omiroad wrote:I'm okay with the concept as it is, but I'll wait to buy it until it's no longer rough around the edges with bursts and loudness changes.
Can I just check btw... how are you currently getting pops out of it?
The 2A model was the worst offender, and the GR jumpstart appears to have fixed that.
Are any of the other models still creating pops in 1.02? I can try and jumpstart the other modes.

Dave.
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3ee
KVRAF
3625 posts since 8 Mar, 2006

Re: DMGAudio TrackComp

Post Fri Nov 24, 2017 2:41 pm

DaveGamble wrote:..
The reason there's a slider at all is because there's just absolutely no consistency in the wild...
Was trying to tell about the red line indicating the "minimum" is not set right according to other emulations on the market at least... what I tested so far.. VC2A, the Cakewalk one and the Black Rooster one all have faster releases than what the red minimum line shows in 2A ... just saying, nothing serious though :)

The attack/release sliders: the reason Trackcomp will always win in the end over other emulations! :clap: (needless to say that being a top quality product also helps ;) )
It is really great to have them! :tu: ... and other controls such as q-bias for the 76D for example... is simply awesome!... set that to around -2 and it will resemble the NI VC76 pretty much :D

anyway, I think I found a bug is the attack/release sliders in 2A mode ... while alt+drag ... it sets the controls to their default value (what ctrl+click is already doing) instead of snapping to values.

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Vortifex
KVRian
913 posts since 1 Sep, 2016

Re: DMGAudio TrackComp

Post Fri Nov 24, 2017 3:22 pm

3ee wrote:anyway, I think I found a bug is the attack/release sliders in 2A mode ... while alt+drag ... it sets the controls to their default value (what ctrl+click is already doing) instead of snapping to values.
Unless I'm mistaken, the hardware doesn't actually have manual attack and release settings, so there are no values to snap to.

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