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Endor-8o8 · Post by **Endor-8o8** » Tue Dec 05, 2017 10:49 am

Anyone knows if it's possible to set a kind of threshold in Pro-L2 ?
In France, we must limit true peaks at -3dbTP. It seems impossible to set this kind of limit in Pro-L2...

Lesha · Post by **Lesha** » Tue Dec 05, 2017 10:51 am

Endor-8o8 wrote:Anyone knows if it's possible to set a kind of threshold in Pro-L2 ?
In France, we must limit true peaks at -3dbTP. It seems impossible to set this kind of limit in Pro-L2...

Use output gain in the lower right corner.

Endor-8o8 · Post by **Endor-8o8** » Tue Dec 05, 2017 11:12 am

Lesha wrote:
Endor-8o8 wrote:Anyone knows if it's possible to set a kind of threshold in Pro-L2 ?
In France, we must limit true peaks at -3dbTP. It seems impossible to set this kind of limit in Pro-L2...
Use output gain in the lower left corner.

Thanks Lesha, I thought about that too but I wanted to know if there was another option under the hood. Well I'll stick to that.

I'm eager to try that "Bus" mode on drums...

woodsdenis · Post by **woodsdenis** » Tue Dec 05, 2017 12:15 pm

bmanic wrote:It's there for the metering. If they bothered to include all of the fancy M/S/I stuff with all the various rules then it's nice to be able to set the metering to the standard.

Also, you can still have peaks that hit the -1dB peak ceiling required in many places (and some require the ceiling to be -3dBFS). So combining metering in the limiter is rather nice, no?

The metering is one of the hilights for me, always used a separate meter. This so much better and easier. Sounds stellar as you would expect and generous discount from FF as well.

Ghostwave · Post by **Ghostwave** » Tue Dec 05, 2017 12:19 pm

Very nice. But I have to wait until Christmas day as the upgrade will be a present from my wife.

Lesha · Post by **Lesha** » Tue Dec 05, 2017 12:19 pm

woodsdenis wrote:
bmanic wrote:It's there for the metering. If they bothered to include all of the fancy M/S/I stuff with all the various rules then it's nice to be able to set the metering to the standard.

Also, you can still have peaks that hit the -1dB peak ceiling required in many places (and some require the ceiling to be -3dBFS). So combining metering in the limiter is rather nice, no?
The metering is one of the hilights for me, always used a separate meter. This so much better and easier. Sounds stellar as you would expect and generous discount from FF as well.

I agree, and Unity Gain is a must have, seriously. Other devs should make this a standard feature in their limiters IMHO.

Neon Breath · Post by **Neon Breath** » Tue Dec 05, 2017 4:14 pm

I’ll need to demo it, I’m sure it sounds great and works amazingly but I already have Pro-L and I’m not sure if it’s worth the upgrade that is near $100 for me. Not cheap at all for couple of new features.

I have to see if all the new added features will really be useful for me… Anyone upgraded and now has the V2? How do you like it compared to V1? Worth it?

Lesha · Post by **Lesha** » Tue Dec 05, 2017 4:45 pm

Neon Breath wrote:I’ll need to demo it, I’m sure it sounds great and works amazingly but I already have Pro-L and I’m not sure if it’s worth the upgrade that is near $100 for me. Not cheap at all.

I have to see if all the new added features will really be useful for me… Anyone upgraded and now has the V2? How do you like it compared to V1?

I don't think it's worth $100 honestly, that's a bit steep for an upgrade.
Try the excellent Unlimited by Sonic Anomaly (Win only), completely free, has LUFS readout and sounds amazing.

Vortifex · Post by **Vortifex** » Tue Dec 05, 2017 4:58 pm

plexuss · Post by **plexuss** » Tue Dec 05, 2017 5:43 pm

FYI: I've tested ProL2. It is not really a true peak limiter. I used AppleRoundTrip which is a tool to detect ISPs in both the PCM and compressed streams. It is part of Mastering for iTunes certification so unless someone has some evidence its in error, its the best tool I can find for metering ISPs. I tested ProL, ProL2, Ozone 7 Maximizer, Ozone 8 Max, Nugen ISL2 and Limitless. The only true peak limiters of that bunch that wont throw ISPs with 0dB ceiling are ISL2 and Ozone 8.

HSum · Post by **HSum** » Tue Dec 05, 2017 5:58 pm

plexuss wrote:FYI: I've tested ProL2. It is not really a true peak limiter. I used AppleRoundTrip which is a tool to detect ISPs in both the PCM and compressed streams. It is part of Mastering for iTunes certification so unless someone has some evidence its in error, its the best tool I can find for metering ISPs. I tested ProL, ProL2, Ozone 7 Maximizer, Ozone 8 Max, Nugen ISL2 and Limitless. The only true peak limiters of that bunch that wont throw ISPs with 0dB ceiling are ISL2 and Ozone 8.

May I ask you how much Pro L2 overshoots in your tests? I just tested it too by applying +24dB to a signal and rendered it out 2x. The one without TP detection had true peaks at +2dB, the version with TP detection enabled had true peaks at exactly 0dB. So no overs.

plexuss · Post by **plexuss** » Tue Dec 05, 2017 6:00 pm

HSum wrote:
plexuss wrote:FYI: I've tested ProL2. It is not really a true peak limiter. I used AppleRoundTrip which is a tool to detect ISPs in both the PCM and compressed streams. It is part of Mastering for iTunes certification so unless someone has some evidence its in error, its the best tool I can find for metering ISPs. I tested ProL, ProL2, Ozone 7 Maximizer, Ozone 8 Max, Nugen ISL2 and Limitless. The only true peak limiters of that bunch that wont throw ISPs with 0dB ceiling are ISL2 and Ozone 8.
May I ask you how much Pro L2 overshoots in your tests? I just tested it too by applying +24dB to a signal and rendered it out 2x. The one without TP detection had true peaks at +2dB, the version with TP detection enabled had true peaks at exactly 0dB. So no overs.

What did you use to measure the ISPs?

mcbpete · Post by **mcbpete** » Tue Dec 05, 2017 6:07 pm

plexuss wrote:It is not really a true peak limiter.

If that is indeed the case then Fabfilter are gonna be in trouble for all the references to 'True peak limiting' on the product page and within the product itself ...

MogwaiBoy · Post by **MogwaiBoy** » Tue Dec 05, 2017 6:14 pm

$69.65 is the upgrade price I'm getting in my account. Not low enough for insta-buy but I will keep an eye on it (they have Xmas sales I think).

HSum · Post by **HSum** » Tue Dec 05, 2017 6:21 pm

plexuss wrote:What did you use to measure the ISPs?

Static analysis in Adobe Audition, ProTools Pro Limiter, Toneboosters EBU Loudness, HOFA Meter... I use Pro L as my goto limiter since like 4 ever and I haven't noticed true peak overs. The masters I do often got double checked in other studios or by the airing stations. So if there's anything wrong someone had definitely told me

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