The Dawn Of New Daws - DaVinci Resolve 14 Fairlight Audio -

[VariKusBrainZ]

And why not buy Ableton Live to edit video, duh

[ozmuso67]

Hitfilm is terrible unless you Transcode, it is designed for transcoded footage, most packages will run a ton better with Transcoded footage to an editor format.

Yes, you need to use editing type video codecs for best results in Hitfilm (e.g DNxHD). I found if you try and use delivery video codecs (e.g mp4) the performance is poor in hitfilm.

[ThomasHelzle]

Well, if you do 3D as well, I'd actually recommend investing in a solid GPU - if at all possible - and look into GPU rendering as well.
Thea Render, Redshift etc. are really awesome and very efficient on one or more fast GPUs. I use a GTX 1080 TI & a GTX 980 TI for that.

With Resolve I have very good (video) and some bad (audio) experiences.
On the import, playback and export side it's the fastest video application I've ever used. Very slick, professional and has very good colour grading tools. It finally allowed me to uninstall Adobe Premiere for good which I always found clumsy, slow and annoying.
Resolve actually beats every other video tool I ever tried, including Final Cut Pro.
The most impressed I was, when I imported a PNG sequence of single frames in full HD and was able to preview it fluidly by just moving my mouse pointer over the footage icon. PNG usually is on the slow side, video apps normally don't like frame sequences, but Resolve made it feel totally effortless. The timeline was equally responsive with this footage.
Other videos from all kinds of sources are also working great.

On the audio side I so far was unable to get one single plugin scan to run through without the scanner crashing.
And each time it crashes it starts from the beginning again.
It seems to have some kind of blacklist, but if the scanner crashes hard (which he does even for some standard plugins like NI Replika), it does not enter the plugin into the list and goes into an endless loop.
Most of all it does not have a whitelist of what it already scanned successfully.
So I'm unable to test any of the audio FX/VST parts since the crashing scanner seems to also disable the internal fairlight effects, nothing shows up there for me.
This even happens if I remove all VST-paths from preferences.

For now I see the potential, but they need to brush up on some basic DAW stuff.

But Blackmagic so far did very well with their acquisitions, the new price for the Studio versions should attract many users and I would be astonished if these problems wouldn't be resolved in time.

Cheers,

Tom

[thomekk]

Thanks Tom,

I think I will wait. The scanning/VST-procedure seems then not so "fitting"
Not an easy step top get the two worlds altogether obviously. But I'm not really surprised.

The Video-Bit on the other hand appears top be tempting.
Anyways a step into a huge zone.

[THE INTRANCER]

Well, if you do 3D as well, I'd actually recommend investing in a solid GPU - if at all possible - and look into GPU rendering as well.
Thea Render, Redshift etc. are really awesome and very efficient on one or more fast GPUs. I use a GTX 1080 TI & a GTX 980 TI for that.

With Resolve I have very good (video) and some bad (audio) experiences.
On the import, playback and export side it's the fastest video application I've ever used. Very slick, professional and has very good colour grading tools. It finally allowed me to uninstall Adobe Premiere for good which I always found clumsy, slow and annoying.
Resolve actually beats every other video tool I ever tried, including Final Cut Pro.
The most impressed I was, when I imported a PNG sequence of single frames in full HD and was able to preview it fluidly by just moving my mouse pointer over the footage icon. PNG usually is on the slow side, video apps normally don't like frame sequences, but Resolve made it feel totally effortless. The timeline was equally responsive with this footage.
Other videos from all kinds of sources are also working great.

On the audio side I so far was unable to get one single plugin scan to run through without the scanner crashing.
And each time it crashes it starts from the beginning again.
It seems to have some kind of blacklist, but if the scanner crashes hard (which he does even for some standard plugins like NI Replika), it does not enter the plugin into the list and goes into an endless loop.
Most of all it does not have a whitelist of what it already scanned successfully.
So I'm unable to test any of the audio FX/VST parts since the crashing scanner seems to also disable the internal fairlight effects, nothing shows up there for me.
This even happens if I remove all VST-paths from preferences.

For now I see the potential, but they need to brush up on some basic DAW stuff.

But Blackmagic so far did very well with their acquisitions, the new price for the Studio versions should attract many users and I would be astonished if these problems wouldn't be resolved in time.

Cheers,

Tom

Thanks for the insight of your experience with Resolve, what version were you taking about in particular ?

I'm familiar with many of the GPU render engines but I didn't know about Redshift, as I expected though, my version of C4D isn't supported, it needs at least R16..but I wouldn't plan on buying it even if it was though...not for the price it is.

I do export animation files as .png's though when doing animation projects, if I'm not rendering down to avi so that's interesting to note in that respect.

As I mentioned in my reply, I'm not planning on buying a top end card, just something like I linked to. I run a dualscreen 1080P setup, at some point in the future I'll look at a 4K screen so this will handle it reasonably well I think.

I think there's a few differences between the free version and the paid version when it comes to importing things into Resolve, H264 material is one format I think..something I'll look into I think.

I did manage to use some VST's in 12.5, one's in my windows stineberg folder, it didn't like it when I gave it access to my plugin folder that has a couple of hundred plugin's in it though. So it's more like trial and error filtering one's self one or two at a time.

Fairlight was only added this year, so it's going to be interesting how this aspect will be developed further over the next year.

[thomekk]

Ok, gave the latest version of Resolve (14.1.1) a go. What a pity that Win 7 is not officially supported. Installation worked nevertheless.
And yes - scanning the VST-Plugins was no problem at all. My fault: I thought that VST instruments also would have been accepted. Then it would be a new era, but ok - seems like a very well thought out editor all in all.
One problem here: Could not find out inside the fairlight how to route audio so that there was playback ; /
Jumped through some forums posts from the davinci-forum and did not find the answer. It simply gave no option to see my audio card with the ASIO-Settings.
Love the color grading section!

[ThomasHelzle]

My experience with the VSTs is still the same in the latest version of the free Resolve 14.1.1 on Windows 8.1 x64.
After several hours of trying to get it to work, removing/renaming plugins etc. I decided to pass on the audio part until they get it working in a more robust manner that makes more sense (especially the complete re-scan of all plugins after each scanner crash is too stupid to believe, that the scanner often hard-crashes which does not get recognised by the scanning system doesn't help either).

Cheers,

Tom

[THE INTRANCER]

There's an interesting thread about Fairlight and the compatible vst plugin's over on the Black Magic forums, worth checking out I think for those having issues.

Recommended plugins for Fairlight

[jancivil]

Well, I'm downloading the free version to see if it will export 24-bit wav or aif in a video, since Steinberg broke that for their new video engine in Cubendo. Whatever FCPX is doing to my audio sounds like crap, I always "Replace Audio in Video" in Cubase.

[vurt]

And why not buy Ableton Live to edit video, duh

does it do video now? is it in clips like with audio?

[thecontrolcentre]

And why not buy Ableton Live to edit video, duh

does it do video now? is it in clips like with audio?

Live runs video in a window using Quicktime. Iirc it runs in the the timeline in arrangement view.

[jancivil]

And why not buy Ableton Live to edit video, duh

Because it's not a video editing application?

and this is free

[vurt]

Jan, have you seen that humble bundle thread in everything else?
vegas pro for 20$ if youre looking for a video editor

[jancivil]

I don't do windows.
This costs 20 dollars less than 20 dollars. I don't know why that would be. The difference between this and the paid version is the paid version lets you network it to collaborate with 'others'.

I already like this better than Final Cut Pro X. As a video editing solution. I have no idea at all about this Fairlight Audio business.

I found out about it on Steinberg.net forum clicking on a google result for 'replace audio in video' which Steinberg has removed from Nuendo 8 and Cubase Pro 9. Temporarily I suppose. SO, yes, it renders video - a little bitty H.264 thing - with 24-bit .wav. FCPX absolutely does not. In fact, the 24-bit audio I placed in its timeline for this project sounded seriously deficient during playback. And the Quick Time .mov is smaller than the mp4 FCPX made.

My 'My Steinberg' account was stolen and I can only make Cubase 9.5 and Nuendo trials work now until I can make them listen to reason.

[jancivil]

And why not buy Ableton Live to edit video, duh

does it do video now? is it in clips like with audio?

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