Going back to simple tools
- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 1706 posts since 1 Mar, 2010 from Paris
For the past few months, I've been thinking that most hosts are plugins get more and more complex to use. Sure, you can do a lot in them but at the cost of using tabs, tons of sliders and knobs and most of the time, the simple tasks just take longer. And too many options can also paralyse your creativity.
To be more precise, I dumped Geist 2 for Studio One Impact and everything just feels a lot more immediate. Obviously, Impact can only do a fraction of what Geist 2 can but it's got pretty much everything I need.
Have you had a similar experience with your main host or a synth? Care to share?
To be more precise, I dumped Geist 2 for Studio One Impact and everything just feels a lot more immediate. Obviously, Impact can only do a fraction of what Geist 2 can but it's got pretty much everything I need.
Have you had a similar experience with your main host or a synth? Care to share?
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- KVRAF
- 4828 posts since 25 Jan, 2014 from The End of The World as We Knowit
I think it depends on how much time you have to memorize the manual, which also depends on how important the plugin is to your workflow.
I use MuLab for most sampling and sequencing, with the same old plugins (e.g. Alchemy, Rhino, Iris) because I know those tools so they are are more rewarding!
Miller Puckette (PureData developer) gave a talk about overcomplex audio software:
http://msp.ucsd.edu/Publications/pdf_EMS14_puckette.pdf
I use MuLab for most sampling and sequencing, with the same old plugins (e.g. Alchemy, Rhino, Iris) because I know those tools so they are are more rewarding!
Miller Puckette (PureData developer) gave a talk about overcomplex audio software:
http://msp.ucsd.edu/Publications/pdf_EMS14_puckette.pdf
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 1706 posts since 1 Mar, 2010 from Paris
^ Thanks for the link. A very interesting read.
Free banks for soft synths | ghostwave.fr | soundcloud.com/ghostwaveaudio
- KVRian
- 707 posts since 29 Dec, 2016 from India
nothing is complex its the gui that f**ks with the work flowGhostwave wrote:For the past few months, I've been thinking that most hosts are plugins get more and more complex to use. Sure, you can do a lot in them but at the cost of using tabs, tons of sliders and knobs and most of the time, the simple tasks just take longer. And too many options can also paralyse your creativity.
To be more precise, I dumped Geist 2 for Studio One Impact and everything just feels a lot more immediate. Obviously, Impact can only do a fraction of what Geist 2 can but it's got pretty much everything I need.
Have you had a similar experience with your main host or a synth? Care to share?
if you are searching for some ideas and playing around with plugins these type will only wast your
1.time
2.willing-ness to sitdown(aka patience)
on the other hand if you have a certain idea or something particular in your mind and know how to do that
you will feel these plugins(impact for example) as your limitation
so it depends from conditions to conditions
and for me for creativity purpose i will use some old synths like TAL or AIR xpand or any other emulation or rompler vst (Thorn is an exception as i am into dubstep type of sounds and know what type of sounds i need at the moment)
and for surgical stuff Melda is the only one i go with
Win 10 x64 with specs enough to run DAW without bouncing any track
KZ IEM,32-bit 384Khz dac running at 32bit 48Khz
mainly use REAPER, MTotalbundle, Unfiltered Audio TRIAD and LION, NI classic collection,......... ETC
KZ IEM,32-bit 384Khz dac running at 32bit 48Khz
mainly use REAPER, MTotalbundle, Unfiltered Audio TRIAD and LION, NI classic collection,......... ETC
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- KVRAF
- 2626 posts since 8 Sep, 2009
No doubt, I've been much more 'productive' when using just three hardware devices and thus being very restricted in what I could do (incl. the aspect that one only has two hands which is another restriction).Ghostwave wrote:Care to share?
The 'jamming' was fun, intense, rewarding. I used to stand while 'operating' which also added something to the process. Body2machine, so to speak. All in all the result was much more organic, and felt much more like 'music making' than it is today. The downside was, that I had to record the whole, often hour long session and edit/cut/glue a couple of few magic moments into a song - but never be able to reproduce it again.
Today, I sit at my well equipped desk, having all tools at hand, 'total recall' is given, but I'm feeling more like a bookkeeper than anything else. Hoped, that Ableton Push would help me there, but it honestly never did.
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- KVRAF
- 16373 posts since 24 May, 2009 from A galaxy, far far away
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- KVRAF
- 16373 posts since 24 May, 2009 from A galaxy, far far away
Do you think that if someone handed you the same gear you had back then, and took away the new stuff, that you would be as productive again?elassi wrote:No doubt, I've been much more 'productive' when using just three hardware devices and thus being very restricted in what I could do (incl. the aspect that one only has two hands which is another restriction).Ghostwave wrote:Care to share?
The 'jamming' was fun, intense, rewarding. I used to stand while 'operating' which also added something to the process. Body2machine, so to speak. All in all the result was much more organic, and felt much more like 'music making' than it is today. The downside was, that I had to record the whole, often hour long session and edit/cut/glue a couple of few magic moments into a song - but never be able to reproduce it again.
Today, I sit at my well equipped desk, having all tools at hand, 'total recall' is given, but I'm feeling more like a bookkeeper than anything else. Hoped, that Ableton Push would help me there, but it honestly never did.
I also came from a minimal setup, nearly 30 years ago. 4-track, Boss drum machine, and a Yamaha fx rack. And I was also very productive. However, I think that was much more about the simplicity of the era, than the setup
At that time, there was no social media, email, Youtube, KVR, or...internet. There were 5 channels on television, and phone calls only happened when you were at home, and if the phone was not being used by someone else.
We are constantly bombarded with so much noise, these days. It has to be affecting our impetus to create.
Where I will agree that the simple approach might be better, is if we ditch the DAW's.
Back when I used 4-track cassette, there was no illusion of perfection. There was no quantise, no spectral editing, and no auto-tune. As such, I accepted my imperfections, and just moved on. Added to that, if I wanted anything more than 4 tracks, I needed to commit to the destructive bounce-down process.
With a DAW, this illusion of perfection keeps us from finishing projects, because we are always waiting till our skills are better, or our plugin folders are better. And unlimited tracks means no need to commit...Ever!!!
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- KVRAF
- 2626 posts since 8 Sep, 2009
el-bo (formerly ebow) wrote:With a DAW, this illusion of perfection keeps us from finishing projects, because we are always waiting till our skills are better, or our plugin folders are better. And unlimited tracks means no need to commit...Ever!!!
- Rad Grandad
- 38044 posts since 6 Sep, 2003 from Downeast Maine
elassi wrote:Waiting for someone to mention "One Fart Only".
no such thing, especially the older you get
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