No demo, refund and even NFR of some orchestral libraries - is that legal?

[dandezebra]

Ha! I'm not trying to make anyone mad but I do feel this thread got into a bit of a Spitfire bash earlier. Glad folks can have a normal, though possibly riddled with sarcasm, chat!

[pekbro]

The sheer cost is enough to keep me away. Also, I’m not interested in orchestral samples fortunately. I did buy their floppy drive library as it was more up my alley. Don’t see why they couldn’t make a small sampler version for testing, what with all the watermarking tech available now days.

[yellowmix]

well, its kind of difficult to give you a demo of a sample library without giving you the samples.

well, actually, no, it isn't. see, for example, free version of SampleTank, Syntronik, or indeed Kontakt itself. just because it's a sample library doesn't mean the developer has to give you every sample to test it with. you might get a cut-down version, without round-robins or with octave limitations, or some such.

What kind of impression would you get from a hobbled snippet of an orchestral library? It doesn't tell you anything if you don't have the articulations or round-robins. That's wildly different from getting taster patches that are wholly self-contained. There's no good analogy or comparison for an entire orchestra. Though you can download a couple cool Spitfire Labs instruments to get a feel for the UIs and general ethos.

Sampletank is free because they want to sell the sampler and addon libraries, not so much the content that comes with it. Kontakt Player is free because sample libraries need a version everyone can use.

This is all silly anyway. Composers are making film and AAA game soundtracks with Albion, Metropolis Ark, East West, and other similar products you can't resell. That is all the demo anyone needs. It's not a question of quality, it's a question of ability and motivation. Either you need an orchestral library or you don't. And again, OP still hasn't described what the actual deficiency is. If they did, we could point them to resources so they can start making orchestral music with the wonderful tool they have.

[zvenx]

well, its kind of difficult to give you a demo of a sample library without giving you the samples.

well, actually, no, it isn't. see, for example, free version of SampleTank, Syntronik, or indeed Kontakt itself. just because it's a sample library doesn't mean the developer has to give you every sample to test it with. you might get a cut-down version, without round-robins or with octave limitations, or some such.

What kind of impression would you get from a hobbled snippet of an orchestral library? It doesn't tell you anything if you don't have the articulations or round-robins. That's wildly different from getting taster patches that are wholly self-contained. There's no good analogy or comparison for an entire orchestra. Though you can download a couple cool Spitfire Labs instruments to get a feel for the UIs and general ethos.

Sampletank is free because they want to sell the sampler and addon libraries, not so much the content that comes with it. Kontakt Player is free because sample libraries need a version everyone can use.

This is all silly anyway. Composers are making film and AAA game soundtracks with Albion, Metropolis Ark, East West, and other similar products you can't resell. That is all the demo anyone needs. It's not a question of quality, it's a question of ability and motivation. Either you need an orchestral library or you don't. And again, OP still hasn't described what the actual deficiency is. If they did, we could point them to resources so they can start making orchestral music with the wonderful tool they have.

This!!!
rsp

[murnau]

well, its kind of difficult to give you a demo of a sample library without giving you the samples.

well, actually, no, it isn't. see, for example, free version of SampleTank, Syntronik, or indeed Kontakt itself. just because it's a sample library doesn't mean the developer has to give you every sample to test it with. you might get a cut-down version, without round-robins or with octave limitations, or some such.

What kind of impression would you get from a hobbled snippet of an orchestral library? It doesn't tell you anything if you don't have the articulations or round-robins. That's wildly different from getting taster patches that are wholly self-contained. There's no good analogy or comparison for an entire orchestra. Though you can download a couple cool Spitfire Labs instruments to get a feel for the UIs and general ethos.

Sampletank is free because they want to sell the sampler and addon libraries, not so much the content that comes with it. Kontakt Player is free because sample libraries need a version everyone can use.

This is all silly anyway. Composers are making film and AAA game soundtracks with Albion, Metropolis Ark, East West, and other similar products you can't resell. That is all the demo anyone needs. It's not a question of quality, it's a question of ability and motivation. Either you need an orchestral library or you don't. And again, OP still hasn't described what the actual deficiency is. If they did, we could point them to resources so they can start making orchestral music with the wonderful tool they have.

This!!!
rsp

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For me the OP act like a total newbie: Not read the EULA/Terms prior buying (need a minute to check on SF site) , obviously was impressed by the many videos & sounddemos SF provide, clicked around 30 minutes (lol), coming here to discredit a respectable dev, unable to answer the valid questions of others and so on..

PS. Not to speak about some folks that been here for years and still need that kind of enlightment too. Very odd..

[pekbro]

There is something to be said for testing, large sample libraries can bring a weak pc to its knees. My buddy's brand new laptop chokes to death loading a library into machfive. Of course he bought it from the home shopping network . I haven't the heart to tell him it sucks hard, fortunately, he has no idea.

[poshook]

well, its kind of difficult to give you a demo of a sample library without giving you the samples.

well, actually, no, it isn't. see, for example, free version of SampleTank, Syntronik, or indeed Kontakt itself. just because it's a sample library doesn't mean the developer has to give you every sample to test it with. you might get a cut-down version, without round-robins or with octave limitations, or some such.

What kind of impression would you get from a hobbled snippet of an orchestral library? It doesn't tell you anything if you don't have the articulations or round-robins. That's wildly different from getting taster patches that are wholly self-contained. There's no good analogy or comparison for an entire orchestra. Though you can download a couple cool Spitfire Labs instruments to get a feel for the UIs and general ethos.

Sampletank is free because they want to sell the sampler and addon libraries, not so much the content that comes with it. Kontakt Player is free because sample libraries need a version everyone can use.

This is all silly anyway. Composers are making film and AAA game soundtracks with Albion, Metropolis Ark, East West, and other similar products you can't resell. That is all the demo anyone needs. It's not a question of quality, it's a question of ability and motivation. Either you need an orchestral library or you don't. And again, OP still hasn't described what the actual deficiency is. If they did, we could point them to resources so they can start making orchestral music with the wonderful tool they have.

I read on their site that it is all you need to start making orchestral epic music, than chceck the size which is 87gb of waves. Sound in demo was ok, sale price was ok so I got it. after installation I found out that there are just mixed brass and woodwinds sections so no way to select just trombones or flutes separately. brass and woodwinds have also just few articulations. Synth engine is rather cpu intensive. So I decided that this one is not very useful for me.

[murnau]

Jesus, now it's getting really absurd. No really.. ..sorry but..

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

well, its kind of difficult to give you a demo of a sample library without giving you the samples.

well, actually, no, it isn't. see, for example, free version of SampleTank, Syntronik, or indeed Kontakt itself. just because it's a sample library doesn't mean the developer has to give you every sample to test it with. you might get a cut-down version, without round-robins or with octave limitations, or some such.

What kind of impression would you get from a hobbled snippet of an orchestral library? It doesn't tell you anything if you don't have the articulations or round-robins. That's wildly different from getting taster patches that are wholly self-contained. There's no good analogy or comparison for an entire orchestra. Though you can download a couple cool Spitfire Labs instruments to get a feel for the UIs and general ethos.

Sampletank is free because they want to sell the sampler and addon libraries, not so much the content that comes with it. Kontakt Player is free because sample libraries need a version everyone can use.

This is all silly anyway. Composers are making film and AAA game soundtracks with Albion, Metropolis Ark, East West, and other similar products you can't resell. That is all the demo anyone needs. It's not a question of quality, it's a question of ability and motivation. Either you need an orchestral library or you don't. And again, OP still hasn't described what the actual deficiency is. If they did, we could point them to resources so they can start making orchestral music with the wonderful tool they have.

I read on their site that it is all you need to start making orchestral epic music, than chceck the size which is 87gb of waves. Sound in demo was ok, sale price was ok so I got it. after installation I found out that there are just mixed brass and woodwinds sections so no way to select just trombones or flutes separately. brass and woodwinds have also just few articulations. Synth engine is rather cpu intensive. So I decided that this one is not very useful for me.

And in one paragraph you demonstrated why such companies would employ such practices. Why on Dog's flat-earth should any company have to lose time and money because you have no idea about due dilligence?

Everything you needed to know about what this library is, or isn't, is at the end of a quick internet search. And if you couldn't find the answer, you could have just asked.

Perhaps you should stop wasting everybody's time, and work out how you might incorporate a top-class scoring library into your workflow

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

Jesus, now it's getting really absurd. No really.. ..sorry but..

[ghettosynth]

If you read the manual, it says this:

ALBION ONE ORCHESTRA
The first folder is Albion ONE Orchestra, which contains
patches for low, mid and high brass; low and high woodwinds;
and strings:

Do those not exist as separate brass and woodwinds instruments? On Edit: I see, you were hoping for solo instruments. It says nothing like that in the manual, why would you expect that they were there?

[Googly Smythe]

Also, another reason to RTFM, especially when it's downloadable, and you're about to spend £300. A warning to us all, and a lesson learned.

[Googly Smythe]

Also from the manual.

The orchestra is presented in carefully orchestrated sections, sometimes in unison across the
entire orchestral range sometimes in high low and middle
sections. Alongside many ‘work horse’ long and short artic-ulations are expertly prepared legato patches; a menu of
effects and a huge selection of string runs.

[ghettosynth]

BTW: If you didn't know it before, orchestral libraries are a vast chasm of a money pit into which you throw hundred dollar bills as if they were pennies tossed into a water fountain. You want the sound of that fart that the 3rd Oboe let slip, bust out another benjamin.

Also where are you seeing "all you need to start making orchestral epic music", I'm seeing lots of references to "cinematic music", which, AFAIK, is not really the same thing.

[ghettosynth]

Also, another reason to RTFM, especially when it's downloadable, and you're about to spend £300. A warning to us all, and a lesson learned.

I must be a total cheapass, I read the manual before parting with a $20 bill.