KVR Audio

beely · Post by **beely** » Sat Dec 23, 2017 12:34 pm

Roland say:

"The most famous of the Roland PCM powerhouses, the Roland JV-1080 is the ‘down to the circuit’ inspiration for the Roland Cloud JV-1080 software plugin. It was a huge success with artists and producers, and eventually lead to even more powerful models in the series such as the JV-2080 and XV-5080.

While the Roland Cloud JV-1080 has the look, feel and factory patches of the original, it has the expanded effects, additional waveforms, and increased polyphony of its successors. It’s like the JV-1080 you know and love, but enhanced to go toe to toe in your DAW with any contemporary software synthesizer."

So, a 1080 but with extra waveforms.

I haven't been able to install it yet, the Cloud manager tool has been performing worse than Korg's servers for me!

gentleclockdivider · Post by **gentleclockdivider** » Sat Dec 23, 2017 1:03 pm

pretty sure Roland will start to release ' virtual jv cards' for the virtual jv 1080 .
Or hell , they might as well provide srx cards compatibilty with the jv series , one of the advanteges of code ..right ?

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Sat Dec 23, 2017 1:12 pm

Just started having a look at the XV-5080 manual. The JV-1080 plugin indeed includes all 1083 ROM PCM waves of the XV-5080 (oposing to the 448 in JV-1080/2080).

As mentioned above the plugin seems to include additional advanced features too. The "Patch MFX" FX section includes a selection of 78 different FXs where many of them are also found in XV-5080.
The dedicated Chorus and Reverb FXs include additional modes to those 78.
There is a routing page for the MFX (one of the 78 FXs), Chorus and Reverb FXs.

The mod matrix has 4 selectable sources, each with up to 4 selectable destinations.

ghettosynth · Post by **ghettosynth** » Sat Dec 23, 2017 1:16 pm

Ingonator wrote:
ghettosynth wrote:
Ingonator wrote:I never used a JD-800 but if i just compare the features included in JD-800 and the JV-1080 plugin that plugin seems to include most or even all of the JD-800 features and some more.

The difference might be more in the basic sound (also the filter) than in the feature set.

The ROM of the JV-1080 plugin includes 1083 waveforms/samples and the multimode filter includes those modes: Off, LPF, BPF, HPF, PKG, LPF2, LPF3.

The interface of the JV-1080 plugin is closer to a JD-800 than to a hardware JV-1080 (or JV-2080).

You might find this interesting:

http://www.donsolaris.com/?p=404

I've had my JD800 since Roland blew them out in the late 90s. As the site above points out it's easy to distort the JD800 filter and when you do it sounds like shit. When you don't it still sounds like shit, at least by today's standards. While some people may go on and on about small details or about the absence of sample compression. None of that is why I bought a JD800 or anyone else I knew who was doing live techno at the time purchased a JD800.

The big win with the JD800 is that it is a rompler with a shit ton of knobs. The effects were good for the time, but still, just palesauce in contrast to it was a rompler with a shit ton of knobs.

Because of that, a lot of famous live acts used them and they have obtained something of a cult status. They sounded fine for the time, they are still usable, but even then they were still a rompler who's basic sound quality was quickly dated owing to the rom size limitations. I remember thinking that my K2KR completely blew it away in most respects, except, of course, that it did not have a shit ton of knobs.
Well the JV-1080 plugin overall has even more knobs and faders so the JD-800 has no big advantage in comparison. Not sure how far the filters in JD-800/JD-990 are better.

Virtual knobs, yes. I'm not really contrasting hardware to software here, I'm saying that a lot of why the JD800 was hot in the 90s was because it had knobs and other romplers didn't. Software wasn't an option then.

Whether the filters are better or worse isn't really that important IMNSHO, they all stink from that era.

Besides that as already mentioned the JV-1080 plugin feature wise seems to be closer to the XV-5080 which includes having 1083 PCM waveforms (instead of 448 in JV-1080/2080), having 2 stereo (L + R) waveforms per tone and having the mod matrix.

Yes, LOL, sorry man I don't give a rats ass about how many 90s rompler sounds they can cram into a plugin. I was just giving you some info on the JV vs JD with respect to the history of the thing.

I'm sure that the JV will give you your 90s Roland rompler fix if you want it and I'm equally sure that this will make no difference to JD800 purists who will whine endlessly until Roland gives them a virtual version.

The point that I'm making here is that in the late 90s the JD800 had a lot of value but, as a rompler, it wasn't really that much better than other romplers of the day. That value came from the user interface. It's a fantastic synth to program.

That said, I can't remember the last track that I used it on. I should probably sell mine as I just don't use it and the prices have gone back up a bit.

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Sat Dec 23, 2017 2:02 pm

Ingonator wrote:Just started having a look at the XV-5080 manual. The JV-1080 plugin indeed includes all 1083 ROM PCM waves of the XV-5080 (oposing to the 448 in JV-1080/2080).

I found that the XV-5080 should include the waveforms of the JD-990 so the JV-1080 plugin should include them too while the waveform names might be slightly different.
I have checked the JD-990 manual and the first waveform there called "Syn Saw 1" seem to be waveform No. 529 in the JV-1080 plugin. No. 554 to 559 there correspond to different Pulse waveforms (first one called "JD SynPulse 1").
Some of the JD waveforms also seem to be included with the first 448 that coresponds to the JV-1080.

As far as i can see from the manual the JD-990 included 195 ROM PCM waves.

Hanz Meyzer · Post by **Hanz Meyzer** » Sat Dec 23, 2017 2:28 pm

Too sad there is no one-time-purchase possible - So even the interestin JV1080 VST is nothing for me!

Caine123 · Post by **Caine123** » Sat Dec 23, 2017 2:50 pm

I really need to plug in my xv5080 and compare to the vst jv1080 cause i feel that i got the hardware units since 1-2 years but just dont like to work with em. A new age kiddie i guess which loves the ease of use of our vsts..... i sold my d550 cause of the d50 plugin as i didnt find many positives to keep the hardware besides slight sound differences and hardware is something to feel abd own!

I hope i can replace my xv5080 and jd990 soon

SLiC · Post by **SLiC** » Sat Dec 23, 2017 2:56 pm

I just demoed again (3rd email address

) and have to say that I am impressed by how much they have reduced the CPU use, just need to update the GUI's now so that are not blurey on the older VSTs and its a nice collection. Not sure I need anyhting thats on offer, retro digital romplers are fun for a while (nostalgia) but modern instrumnts like Omnisphere 2, Falcon with UVI banks etc have gone some way beyopnd the origonal romplers and to me sound better and are more flexible.

All in all though the amount of content may well be worth the yearly asking price if you want the old Roland back catalogue.

gentleclockdivider · Post by **gentleclockdivider** » Sat Dec 23, 2017 3:13 pm

Ingonator wrote:
Ingonator wrote:Just started having a look at the XV-5080 manual. The JV-1080 plugin indeed includes all 1083 ROM PCM waves of the XV-5080 (oposing to the 448 in JV-1080/2080).
I found that the XV-5080 should include the waveforms of the JD-990 so the JV-1080 plugin should include them too while the waveform names might be slightly different.
I have checked the JD-990 manual and the first waveform there called "Syn Saw 1" seem to be waveform No. 529 in the JV-1080 plugin. No. 554 to 559 there correspond to different Pulse waveforms (first one called "JD SynPulse 1").
Some of the JD waveforms also seem to be included with the first 448 that coresponds to the JV-1080.

As far as i can see from the manual the JD-990 included 195 ROM PCM waves.

The must have card for the jd and jv series was vintage card jv 04 , a lot of analogue waveforms .
Some are included in the xv rom , but most are not , but these can all be found on srx 07 .
Most jv rom cards were only8mb , the srx cards 32 mb.
So since the 1080 vst has all of the xv internal rom , it wouldn't surprise roland will come with virtual srx cards ..readable by the plugin .
If they would thrown in some srx cards and some supernatural acoustic sounds ..my integra goes to ebay .

iPlogger · Post by **iPlogger** » Sat Dec 23, 2017 3:17 pm

Pretty excited to hear about JV-1080. Been waiting years for that. I stopped bringing my rack box for live a few years back to save my back and ease setup, but I have always missed not having "Dawn To Dusk" available.

T-CM11 · Post by **T-CM11** » Sat Dec 23, 2017 3:48 pm

SLiC wrote: just need to update the GUI's now so that are not blurey on the older VSTs and its a nice collection.

I agree! Although the zoom function makes them more usable, the GUIs are as low resolution as the Korg plugins - and those were made in 2004!
They all sound great but the price of a year's subscription for 1 plugin is just too expensive for me. Maybe they're doing it on purpose to force people to stick with their cloud subscription thing - but I just don't care for the renting software thing.

beely · Post by **beely** » Sat Dec 23, 2017 3:56 pm

Ingonator wrote:I found that the XV-5080 should include the waveforms of the JD-990 so the JV-1080 plugin should include them too while the waveform names might be slightly different.

Yes, the 5080 includes all the JD waves, but not all the JD effects algorithms although you can "build" replacements with the 5080 FX engine.

Is the 1080 plugin wave list the same as the 5080 wave list then?
What about the FX algorithms? Doe the 1080 contain the RSS reverb of the 5080?

I can't check, as the Roland Cloud Manager doesn't seem to want to install the 1080 plugin for me yet, it just hangs and never installs...

felis · Post by **felis** » Sat Dec 23, 2017 4:57 pm

ghettosynth wrote: ...Yeah, I don't disagree. This is why I think that in the long term, this is going to bite devs in the ass. Here's why......

I shortened your post, but agree with the whole thing.

And despite all the other arguments and rationalizations, the psychological aspects of 'ownership'
are why some (most?) people will always prefer hardware.
You buy it, you own it, you can do with it what you like, rather than someone else saying they own it,
but they'll let you use it.

I hope no one has actually fallen for this cloud crap spiel.

crystalmsc · Post by **crystalmsc** » Sat Dec 23, 2017 5:53 pm

This can be the most powerful layering machine when they bring back the performance mode, especially with all expansions and 3 insert fxs like the JV2080 or even better free amount of fx slots. It's also going to be the most effective multitimbral synth for being used with a lower spec PC, which can be very useful for many people on different situations. If that happens, I'm thinking about running Live 10 or Cubase Elements 9.5 mainly with this plugin on a cheaper tablet/laptop for mobile use. Then transfer the midi file to the main workstation just like the good old time. Multi-outs please, for easier mixing using other plugins. But doing a whole arrangement with just one plugin could also be challenging and fun, for that nostalgic feeling of using a workstation.

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Sat Dec 23, 2017 5:58 pm

beely wrote: Is the 1080 plugin wave list the same as the 5080 wave list then?

Yes, all 1083 PCM waveforms of XV-5080 seem to be included (only 448 in the real JV-1080/2080).